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#1 Herman

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:23 AM

See link: https://www.dailycam...ly Camera News)

Expensive BUT wait for it... you do get  a built-in 1.4x TC too!

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:16 AM

Thanks for the link, Herman. This lens sounds like it will be a beauty, hopefully at half the weight.

So many great products and so little money!

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:43 AM

Thanks for the link, Herman.

 

I'm sure that this lens will be awesome; and it is clear that Nikon has been making careful plans.  My problem is that it is more than $5k more expensive than the 200-500.  A 1.4 teleconverter for the 200-500 puts it close to the price for Sigma's 150-600 Sport version.  I'm sure that there is a niche market for this new lens; and equally sure that I'm not part of that market.  :rolleyes:


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:51 PM

Mark,

 

As long as your arms can carry it... get the 200-400mm VR version!  OMG. I love this lens.

 

I wish I had so much disposable income I could replace it with a new version, but I don't.  But I am not crying in my soup, I am extremely happy with my glass collection.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 01:09 PM

Nikon Rumors indicated it was on the update block last summer. So it's the leading speculation for what will be the last lens announcement of the year, probably. I'm sure the update will be really good but I guarantee it will be crazy expensive. I'll just be happy with my 300 f4 PF for now. It's actually a lot sharper than the 200-400 at distances > 100 feet.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:11 PM

Thanks for the link, Herman. This lens sounds like it will be a beauty, hopefully at half the weight.

So many great products and so little money!

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:20 PM

Mark,

 

As long as your arms can carry it... get the 200-400mm VR version!  OMG. I love this lens.

 

I wish I had so much disposable income I could replace it with a new version, but I don't.  But I am not crying in my soup, I am extremely happy with my glass collection.

 

Art, all of my reading agrees with your suggestion.  Now for the reality check:

 

https://bccamera.com...d-vr-ii-nikkor/

 

I would never get to enjoy the lens because I would have to sell it, to make alimony payments!  :o  :lol:


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:20 AM

Well, Mark, that is VRII

 

Mine is VR I.  Essentially the same lens at a much cheaper price.

 

Get a used one, half the price and no tax and the price is dropping!

 

I am lucky, sometimes my wife asks... and I never lie.... and sometimes she doesn't.

 

My stock answer to how much things cost is .... "you don't want to know!"

 

If she asks, I tell her.

 

I have never said, "No" to my wife on anything she has ever wanted and it works the same in return.

 

I gave her a ball park on the D850 ... Under $5K.  and we changed the subject.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 05:55 AM

I've got the VR I model and it's one of my favorite lenses as well.  The focal length is great, but it's the other things that make it a favorite.  It's my go to lens for large mammals - elk, deer, and bears.  It's also a good choice for wading birds although I prefer the 600 f/4.  The 200-400 is not the sharpest lens - and could be better with teleconverters.  It's about the same or slightly sharper than the 200-500 - and you could argue the 200-500 is sharper.  And it's a big lens that really needs a monopod, tripod, or some type of support for use while the 200-500 is easy to handhold.  The 200-400 is constant length while the cheaper alternatives extend as you zoom creating durability and balance issues.

 

A constant f/4 aperture is worth a lot for large wildlife and action.  The 200-500 is a constant f/5.6 while the various 150-600 lenses are all f/6.3 at the long end.  The wider aperture is better for low light, and produces nice, smooth backgrounds.  And the 200-500 and alternatives extend, making them inappropriate for rain or wet conditions, and wrong for rough use.

 

BUT - with the introduction of the 200-500 and the high quality 150-600 gear, the used price of the 200-400 has plummeted.  This $6800 lens is selling for $2500-3000 on the used market - and even then it's hard to find a buyer.  

 

The market is very small for someone willing to pay $7500-8000 for a new ED FL version of the 200-400.  If people are selling the 200-400 in favor of the 200-500 and 150-600, how many people will buy the lens.  It certainly would be a good lens for some pro sports, but many of them choose a faster 400mm f/2.8.  Perhaps for golf photographers it makes sense - and that's a market of about 20 people.   Perhaps the 200-400 is due to be updated, but my take is it is a niche lens for a very small market and you are unlilkely to see anyone giving up a 200-500 or 150-600 to upgrade.

 

I'm probably a candidate to upgrade my 200-400, but the expense would be tough to justify.  I also plan to keep some dry powder for the Nikon mirrorless in 2018 or 2019 depending on how it is positioned.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:39 AM

How is the 200-400 VRI with a 2x?


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 10:08 AM

I've never used mine with a 2x TC I suppose that is due to the fact I don't have a 2x TC. I like the versatility of the 200-400 though. I have used it a lot on a  RRS monopod and head with a 1.4 TC to photograph TransAm races. I tend now to use the 200-500 VR handheld because it is so much easier to tote around. The 200-400 AF is much more accurate however.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

Well, Mark, that is VRII

 

Mine is VR I.  Essentially the same lens at a much cheaper price.

 

Get a used one, half the price and no tax and the price is dropping!

 

I am lucky, sometimes my wife asks... and I never lie.... and sometimes she doesn't.

 

My stock answer to how much things cost is .... "you don't want to know!"

 

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I have never said, "No" to my wife on anything she has ever wanted and it works the same in return.

 

I gave her a ball park on the D850 ... Under $5K.  and we changed the subject.

 

Art, some day, I would like to introduce your wife to my wife.  They would get along.

 

I gave Angela a ball park on the 200-500.  That produced some muttering, along with the comment that it is a darned good thing that I'm working.  Like you and your wife, we changed the subject at that point.  :)


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 11:05 AM

I I used the 1.4 and 1.7 TC on the 200-400 VR1 and the 2.0 TC on the 200-400 VR II. Of all of them the 1.4 was the best. The 2.0 was passable but you really notice the drop in sharpness, especially if your subject is at a distance that necessitates a 2.0. I would stop down to f11 to get some back but, depending upon your camera, you're already softened from diffraction. I use the newest 1.4 TC on my 300 PF and would use it on other fast primes but I don't think I'd do any other TC for any other lens. You'd probably do better using a DX camera with the 200-400, really. And the price difference isn't that much but the value proposition is.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:58 PM

My experience was similar.  The 1.4 teleconverter works pretty well - especially the version 3 of that teleconverter.  I'm less likely to use the 1.7 and I avoid the 2.0.  With distant subjects, focus with Live View makes a difference.

 

Where the 200-400 comes into it's own is closer subjects - inside 100 yards.  It's really good at that range producing sharp images with nice backgrounds.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:54 PM

 

Art, some day, I would like to introduce your wife to my wife.  They would get along.

 

I gave Angela a ball park on the 200-500.  That produced some muttering, along with the comment that it is a darned good thing that I'm working.  Like you and your wife, we changed the subject at that point.  :)

 

:lol:

 

Best to avoid the discussion.

 

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And, don't smoke, don't drink ( excessively), don't party, don't waste and have little demands and I try my best.

 

As does my wife.  Good partnership.

 

So, these things are not flash points.  Besides, she just recently got a new car, I made an absolute point of dressing it up exactly how she wanted it, spared nothing.

We are redoing the kitchen, bought everything she wanted.  Don't think she has a lot to say. ;)

 

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