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Posted 14 November 2019 - 06:03 AM

A long time ago l tried in camera NR. lt reduced noise but much detail was lost. l said "Never again". Recently l tried NR in my software. Since you can control the amount of NR, l can go light on it and not lose too much detail. There's still some noise, but it looks better. This was shot with the D7100 at ISO 4000. 100% crops. NR on the 2nd.

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 12:47 PM

Very effective Bill.


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Posted 14 November 2019 - 12:53 PM

I agree with Peter, Bill.  Very effective.  :)


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Posted 14 November 2019 - 04:49 PM

Bill, am just wondering how your effective processing of noise compares to applying Google NIK's Dfine product.

As I'm currently away from home, I am unfortunately unable to try it out myself. If not in possession of Dfine, perhaps someone else can give it a try.

Could be interesting...

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 02:24 AM

Bill, am just wondering how your effective processing of noise compares to applying Google NIK's Dfine product.

As I'm currently away from home, I am unfortunately unable to try it out myself. If not in possession of Dfine, perhaps someone else can give it a try.

Could be interesting...

 

Bill, am just wondering how your effective processing of noise compares to applying Google NIK's Dfine product.

As I'm currently away from home, I am unfortunately unable to try it out myself. If not in possession of Dfine, perhaps someone else can give it a try.

Could be interesting...

l don't have Dfine so l can't compare it.


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Posted 15 November 2019 - 03:45 AM

Bill, would you mind if the "noisy" photo is copy pasted and uploaded when treated with Google NIK's Dfine so as to clearly ascertain a possible difference?

If in agreement, perhaps Art or Mark who I know have Dfine can try it out for us. I'm not back home till later next week. Keen to know the difference in result...

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 05:33 AM

Bill, would you mind if the "noisy" photo is copy pasted and uploaded when treated with Google NIK's Dfine so as to clearly ascertain a possible difference?

If in agreement, perhaps Art or Mark who I know have Dfine can try it out for us. I'm not back home till later next week. Keen to know the difference in result...

No l don't mind, but don't you need a RAW file instead of the JPEG?


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Posted 15 November 2019 - 07:56 AM

Bill, I don't think it makes a difference.

Thank you! Art, Mark, Peter???

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 12:16 PM

Bill, am just wondering how your effective processing of noise compares to applying Google NIK's Dfine product.

As I'm currently away from home, I am unfortunately unable to try it out myself. If not in possession of Dfine, perhaps someone else can give it a try.

Could be interesting...

 

Herman, I'm going to shock you by disagreeing a bit.  While I really like Dfine, there have been images where I was more pleased with the noise reduction results that I got in Lightroom.  Nothing scientific, just my impression.  :)


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Posted 15 November 2019 - 05:21 PM

Thanks for the input, Mark. Always good to get feedback from numerous users.

Much appreciated.

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 11:51 PM

Dfine softens the image, I wasn’t impressed with it but I will try it tonight and post the result.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 12:26 AM

The extreme noise in PS can be altered a lot of ways. I used to use a sep. program for noise reduction, but PS is wonderful. It has a "despeckle" tool that can save low light "bad things."

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:34 AM

OK, sorry for the delay, got busy, had to meet a deadline.

 

So, the first image is a SIDE BY SIDE of the ORIGINAL on the LEFT and DEFINE cleanup on the RIGHT. The image below it is PHOTOSHOPED.

 

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Although I think the photoshop effort has a little more noise elements, if you look at the eyes and helmet, the image is sharper.

I think, if you know how to use the Noise reduction features in Photoshop, it is slightly better.  Dfine is still a good package.  I think I stated earlier, it just softens the image, which is something I am not crazy about.

 

 

[ so you can compare the two images, I added my editing effort next to your original image so you could see them side by side. I scaled it an tried to match color]


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 12:08 PM

OK, sorry for the delay, got busy, had to meet a deadline.

 

So, the first image is a SIDE BY SIDE of the ORIGINAL on the LEFT and DEFINE cleanup on the RIGHT. The image below it is PHOTOSHOPED.

 

attachicon.gifBill Sample.jpeg

 

attachicon.gifBill-Photoshop.jpg

 

Although I think the photoshop effort has a little more noise elements, if you look at the eyes and helmet, the image is sharper.

I think, if you know how to use the Noise reduction features in Photoshop, it is slightly better.  Dfine is still a good package.  I think I stated earlier, it just softens the image, which is something I am not crazy about.

 

Good points, Art.  Dfine is a good package, but I get better results when I reduce noise in Lightroom.  I haven't used noise reduction in Photoshop.  :)


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Posted 20 November 2019 - 07:35 AM

Mark,

 

You should try it in Photoshop, it is not bad. I have saved many an image with photoshop.


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Posted 21 November 2019 - 06:38 AM

Art, do you want me to email you the RAW file so you can try NR with it?


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Posted 21 November 2019 - 01:08 PM

Mark,

 

You should try it in Photoshop, it is not bad. I have saved many an image with photoshop.

 

Thanks, Art.  I will definitely give it a try, the next time I need to reduce noise.  :)


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Posted 21 November 2019 - 04:10 PM

Interesting feedback, guys... thank you.

 

Was out-of-town but now back-in-town.

 

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 11:46 PM

Art, do you want me to email you the RAW file so you can try NR with it?

Sure, happy to try it for some fun.

Use WETRANSFER.com.

It is free to use and much prefer it.

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 12:37 AM

Art l emailed the RAW file to you.


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Posted 24 November 2019 - 03:16 AM

Bill,

 

Here is what I did:

 

The NEF file was sharpened and cleaned up in CAPTURE NX-D .... this is free to download from Nikon.  Great package for free.

 

Then, converted file to JPG

Then, opened in PHOTOSHOP and cleaned up the noise....

 

You get this image:

 

Attached File  DSC_8121(ps-crop).jpg   743.11KB   0 downloads

 

I then did the same process only in DFINE

 

You get this image:

 

Attached File  DSC_8121(DFine-crop).jpg   563.97KB   0 downloads

I think I like the treatment when you use the combination of both programs, you get the best results.

 

and then, I took them both and tried to make the best of the two and you get this:

 

Attached File  DSC_8121(DFine+PS-crop).jpg   563.52KB   0 downloads

 

I sent you back all the files on WeTransfer .... look for the email.

 

One last little trick I do when I have a noisy image .... I will take the BLUR tool and run it over the background of the image manually.

 

I also did a little trick with a layer where I will fill in the white areas that have text... in this case on the helmet, to give it some fake sharpness.... 

You get this!

 

The Art Version ... I also darkened it a bit to match your version.

 

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To roughly match your post above....

 

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 07:09 AM

l got the files from We transfer. l like PS the most. Even though Dfine reduced noise more, it seemed to smear details.


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Posted 24 November 2019 - 09:15 AM

Very interesting topic...

Thanks to Bill for raising it and Art for showing the comparisons.

I diden't want to involve myself further, as it would lead to reinventing the wheel.

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 11:12 AM

l got the files from We transfer. l like PS the most. Even though Dfine reduced noise more, it seemed to smear details.

 

Any time you use noise reduction, there is a softening of your image. It doesn't work with all images as you would like and typically, you have to alter the image a bit in a package like Photoshop to make it as presentable as possible.  If you are tiring to save an image, these are your best choices and used as a last resort ... better something than nothing .... but I would not make a habit of relying on them to "get the image", so to speak.

 

In your example, you have chosen to crop it at 100% and the editing is really obvious.  I think, if you were to do a 4x6" postcard print, this would not look too bad if this was a keepsake image you had to have. If it was something you wanted to crop for publication, I don't think it would work.

I have attached a 4x6 image below just as an example to this comment....

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In my opinion, if you have night shots like this of an important event, this is a fine image for remembering something of importance. It beats having nothing at all, so the tools are quite helpful in certain situations in saving an image.

 

If your goal is an artistic capture, then techniques and/or gear have to change in order to capture the moment.

 

I am NOT a Lightroom user.  I can't stand Adobe and have refused to ever learn it.  It may have a better Noise Reduction Tool, I don't know.  Maybe someone with Lightroom can take a crack at it for you. I own LR 5 and just couldn't wrap my head around it.  My philosophy was:

I have Nikon gear

Nikon makes software for their images

What better software to use than the one made by the manufacturer who knows their own code

 

So, I went with Capture NX-2.... which had to be purchased at the time

--after the NIK fiasco, Nikon rapidly developed Capture NX-D which was a disaster at first

 

LATER, they added U-Point and have been perfecting and supporting it ever since.  It is not a bad package. AND .... it is FREE for download on their site.


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Posted 25 November 2019 - 01:15 PM

 

it is FREE for download on their site.

 

Art, free?  Nikon Canada's site says it can be purchased for $199.95 CDN.  Here's the link:

 

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 01:34 PM

Art, free?  Nikon Canada's site says it can be purchased for $199.95 CDN.  Here's the link:
 
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Hi Mark, you're mixing up Capture NX-2 with the free NX-D.

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 01:50 PM

Hi Mark, you're mixing up Capture NX-2 with the free NX-D.

 

Yikes!  You're right.  My bad.  :wacko:


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Posted 26 November 2019 - 03:31 PM

Bill, deleting your files now, thanks.


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