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Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:04 PM

I belong to a large church, 1,000 seat modern design and there will be three services this Easter weekend. There's the 1,000 seat sloped auditorium, and here's a photo of about half of the lobby, there will be no tables, pretty much wall to wall people. I've been tasked with taking the official photos so I don't want to screw it up :)

 

 

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Posted 29 March 2018 - 05:06 PM

The glass front is 40 feet tall and the time of day will be 9-12 

 

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Posted 29 March 2018 - 07:38 PM

I'll chime in when I get home from work.

 

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 03:15 AM

I find shots like this uninteresting unless there's the crowd itself conforms to some large geometric shape I usually ask people to pose together or alone and get shots of 1, 2, 3, or 4 individuals.

If the sun will be streaming in, you for sure want to use fill flash unless dramatic dark shadows are what you're after.

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 05:42 AM

The large glass front faces northwest so no direct sun until late in the evening


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 07:59 AM

I find that shots with people that still have a focal point in them to be the most interesting when it comes to crowd photos.  Closer in shots where in a small group of people are talking or doing something of interest; then the crowd behind them maybe even being out of focus so as to highlight the small group.  In weddings I see this all the time with the center focus usually being the bride and groom, bridesmaids, groom mans, family and the like.  I find extremely large groups of people to be uninteresting unless there is something special going on; like the shot taken each four years of the presidential inaugural speech where a second focal point is the mass numbers but there you can't identify any of the people as they are so small in the photo and the major focal point seems to be the capital building and the decoration and the crowd is secondary except for the amount of space they take up.  Sorry for the long winded response and remember that I hate taking pictures of people to start with so my opinion is just that my only would not be as helpful to you as some of these other here in PN who are much better photographers when it comes to people.  


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 12:46 PM

Did the person who asked you to take these shots give you some idea as to what kind of shots they are looking for?  How are they planning to use the shots?

 

When it comes to group shots, I can't improve on what the others have said.  Hope it goes well.  :)


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 05:26 PM

Get a Gary Fong for your flash.  You are going to need fill in light.

 

I would pose people in this situation.  Take them in groups of 3 and just ask them to chat with each other.  It will be a staged shot, but it won't look like wedding pictures.  Go for a candid look.  If there is something interesting in the lobby, have them stand near it.  In a large crowd, you will find subjects near the interesting spots.

 

Don't shoot towards the glass, you will get burnout and reflection off the glass.

 

Avoid the far away shots, they are not personal.  You want up close for a warmer personal result.

 

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 05:57 PM

Did the person who asked you to take these shots give you some idea as to what kind of shots they are looking for?  How are they planning to use the shots?

 

When it comes to group shots, I can't improve on what the others have said.  Hope it goes well.  :)

Pretty much candid shots so they look unsuspecting. Pretty much like street shooting


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 10:05 PM

I agree, you dont want one large group shot, little dots is what you will end up with.

I would use something like a 16-35 Xoom, you can get in the crowd and go wide on the lens. Or zoom in and get small group candids. If they are singing, showing emotion, get that shot. Move around.

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Posted 30 March 2018 - 11:56 PM

I find shots like this uninteresting unless there's the crowd itself conforms to some large geometric shape I usually ask people to pose together or alone and get shots of 1, 2, 3, or 4 individuals.

If the sun will be streaming in, you for sure want to use fill flash unless dramatic dark shadows are what you're after.

 

More on this.  I like to stay really jovial with people in situations like this unless it's a somber occasion.  If people are cutting up and having fun and you are cutting up with them, it makes for way more spontaneous looking photos.


Edited by justshootit, 31 March 2018 - 12:25 AM.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 06:01 AM

I agree, you dont want one large group shot, little dots is what you will end up with.

I would use something like a 16-35 Xoom, you can get in the crowd and go wide on the lens. Or zoom in and get small group candids. If they are singing, showing emotion, get that shot. Move around.

i have a 18-55, 50 mm f1.8, 135 mm Q-auto and a 70-300. pretty limited here


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 10:01 AM

i have a 18-55, 50 mm f1.8, 135 mm Q-auto and a 70-300. pretty limited here


You should be able to use that 18-55 in place of the 16-35 I mentioned.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 11:26 AM

You should be able to use that 18-55 in place of the 16-35 I mentioned.

Agree the 18-55 will work in this situation.

Try to vary your shots from different angles this provides a variety of shots.

As mentioned try to get personal, groups of 4-5 always works. Its ok for a few large wide shots o show the event as a whole but the winners will always be those showing the personal side of the event.

Dont forget auto ISO in an event like this auto ISO is your friend.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 12:10 PM

I agree with Jim, about Auto ISO.  People can move from indoors to outdoors and back quite quickly.  Auto ISO means one less thing to worry about.  :)


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 02:06 PM

It was mentioned to me today they prefer a shallow DOF and soft colors, that's pretty much what I had planned on.


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:02 PM

There will be some concert photography involved as well, using Aperture Priority mode there, with the 50 mm f1.8


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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:28 PM

Given everything I've read here -- candids, shallow DOF, etc., I'm thinking that, in addition to the group shots, you will want to single out individuals for candids.  If you can't pop for something like a used Sigma  50-150/2.8, you'll likely want to use that 70-300 wide open and the 18-55 wide open at its longer focal lengths.  You'll often have to stand off a ways because candids often demand it, and that will necessitate the longer lens.  Don't worry about the DOF at f/5.6 on that 70-300 - it's plenty shallow wide open.

 

This is not a bad thing - using a long FL and a wide aperture to isolate the subject and get a compressed perspective in a candid gives an almost mystical quality to the shot and evokes curiosity in the viewer.  When I was first getting started shooting events, I'd use a 75-300/4.5-5.6 on a 35mm body and I got great results with it.

 

When I was shooting these events with DX, my go-to lenses were the 18-70/3.5-4.5 and a 70-200/2.8, and I sometimes used a 12-24/4 and got right on top of a scene to get a unique perspective.  If I were still doing this with DX, I'd pick up a 17-55/2.8 to replace the 18-70 for the short end to get shallower DOF.  The Tamron and Sigma equivalents would be fine too.

 

I completely agree with the ISO-Auto idea.  When I was doing this, I missed that feature on the D1X.


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Posted 07 June 2018 - 06:00 AM

I belong to a large church, 1,000 seat modern design and there will be three services this Easter weekend. There's the 1,000 seat sloped auditorium, and here's a photo of about half of the lobby, there will be no tables, pretty much wall to wall people. I've been tasked with taking the official photos so I don't want to screw it up :)

 

 

I would run a  setup/test shot(s) to set my White Balance, Exposure Values for the room, but if you're going to do auto set then the camera will work that out so that would be a non-issue for you. Take your flash and a couple sets of batteries. I don't know how fast your lenses are but having a flash will aid in getting enough light.

 

You seem to be doing just fine as far as I can see from the shot above. I would capture things taking place as well as people interacting as well, so I would use a variable focal in wide, along with a variable telephoto. That way you have coverage. Also not a bad idea If they have a printed itinerary might be helpful to you to have that with you so that you know how  to setup for you shot a little before hand. Nothing like getting surprised by a group of say 50 or more people receiving recognition...lol

 

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 10:42 PM

The glass front is 40 feet tall and the time of day will be 9-12 

 

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