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Poll: Opinions on the Monthly Challenge (11 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you like the Monthly Challenge to be a contest?

  1. Yes, I would like the Monthly challenge to be a contest. (8 votes [72.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 72.73%

  2. No, I like the Monthly Challenge as it is, just fun, no judging. (3 votes [27.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

If you want a contest, how would you like the winner chosen?

  1. From a panel of judges only. (1 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  2. From a combination of judges and member voting. (5 votes [45.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

  3. From member votes only. (5 votes [45.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:15 PM

Are you happy with the monthly Challenge or would you like to see another format? Currently, it is designed to just get you to post images primarily to keep the dust off the camera. Would you like to see it turn into a contest monthly contest? Darrell, can you turn VOTING ON for only one forum? Please feel free to comment, the more comments and discussion the better.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:11 AM

I would actually prefer it if we had both kinds of monthly challenge. One contest and another to just get people out and shooting.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:28 AM

I would actually prefer it if we had both kinds of monthly challenge. One contest and another to just get people out and shooting.



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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:57 AM

I like it because, it makes you use a camera or two. Not much on the who won, but looking at the great looking pics is awesome.Posted Image

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:35 AM

I am against the contest idea. Judging is subjective and therefore we run the risk of offending lots of folks and losing membership. Probably, like many of you, I have seen photos posted that, in my opinion were not worthy of day light. I know this because I have posted a few myself. But on the other hand, these same photos are given accolades by others. NO CONTEST because we have no objective way to judge. I always harken back to a photo contest I entered a few years ago: A photo of a 7-10 year old fishing on a pier. Under exposed by two stops and out of focus, poorly presented and it won 2nd place. I asked one of the judges about why she voted for it: It was cute is all I got. BTW, there was objective criteria for this contest. Go Figure !
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:11 AM

I think that a contest could be pretty constructive for people actually. As long as the follow-up to the comp is carried through properly ie, examples of what people liked/didn't like about the image, how the image could be improved, that sort of thing. Its true that judging these things is subjective but a Planet poll to decide the winner should give a fairly rounded view of whats good and whats not. As for people getting offended, participation is not compulsory!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:04 AM

I like it because, it makes you use a camera or two. Not much on the who won, but looking at the great looking pics is awesome.Posted Image


This is exactly what Cliff and I try to do each month with the Challenge, put something up that everyone can participate in and entertain the rest of us with some awesome images. The Monthly Challenge is always broad scoped enough so everyone can post an image. So far, we have been getting some amazing participation by all members, new and old.

We can keep doing this and not change it.

Charles, I hear you! I agree with all you say. My reason for thinking this one up was to introduce a higher level of Challenge. Something to allow PN to showcase the best of some of our members unbelievable photographs! My yardstick for good photos are typically the Editor's Choice photos on http://500px.com/editors.

I know exactly what you mean when it comes to judging as you mention. I guess the key is to get a good panel of judges and combo it with member voting.

Anyway, I thought this might be worth discussing.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:27 AM

Well... maybe if we can make the challenges a bit more. Like instead of just using a type of lens, add more to it. Like using a 50mm, take a portrait of a person. So, in addition to taking a pic, we also have a technique to work on. Then maybe how each were able to perform the technique, there are always several way to skin a cat. Then, maybe via a voting thing at the end of the year, 12 shots can be chosen and made into a calendar. The 12 chosen get it for free, while members pay $10 or so. That money can go to support the site. The calendar can even be sold to outside the group, for maybe $15, again, a way to generate support for the forum. Having 12 winners seems more fair for all (considering the points Charles brings up) as there is not just one overall person. Just my two cents.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:37 AM

Well... maybe if we can make the challenges a bit more. Like instead of just using a type of lens, add more to it. Like using a 50mm, take a portrait of a person. So, in addition to taking a pic, we also have a technique to work on. Then maybe how each were able to perform the technique, there are always several way to skin a cat.

Then, maybe via a voting thing at the end of the year, 12 shots can be chosen and made into a calendar. The 12 chosen get it for free, while members pay $10 or so. That money can go to support the site. The calendar can even be sold to outside the group, for maybe $15, again, a way to generate support for the forum. Having 12 winners seems more fair for all (considering the points Charles brings up) as there is not just one overall person.

Just my two cents.



Really good thinking there Den! I like it!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:01 AM

My concern is that if a certain lens is chosen to use as the months challenge, everyone may not have that lens. I know I don't have many to choose from. I like having comments on photo's that I post. Not just "I like it"... I won't get better if I don't know what I am doing wrong or could improve on. I know that not all of what I post is spectacular so a comment on how to make it better would be greatly appreciated. I like the idea of a calendar. There are some really great shots posted here.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 10:11 AM

Are you happy with the monthly Challenge or would you like to see another format? Currently, it is designed to just get you to post images primarily to keep the dust off the camera.

Would you like to see it turn into a contest monthly contest?

Darrell, can you turn VOTING ON for only one forum?


Please feel free to comment, the more comments and discussion the better.



I'm not sure what you mean? Voting in what sense?
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:13 AM

I'm not sure what you mean? Voting in what sense?


If you look at the bottom right of the screen, you will see a "+" and a "-", when you hover your cursor over the buttons, it says Vote This Post UP (+) or Vote this Post DOWN (-). The zero (0) next to the Green and Red buttons most likely is a TALLY. I assume members can only vote once.

I assume, if this feature is turned on, you can vote on the post on whether you like it or not. Other similar Nikon sites have this type of function. In PHP type websites, you can have your support person turn these features on or add features to the site.

It would be nice, if we had a voting challenge, for the members to be able to cast their vote. If you need an example of a site, PM me and I will forward a link.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:21 AM

My concern is that if a certain lens is chosen to use as the months challenge, everyone may not have that lens. I know I don't have many to choose from.

I like having comments on photo's that I post. Not just "I like it"... I won't get better if I don't know what I am doing wrong or could improve on. I know that not all of what I post is spectacular so a comment on how to make it better would be greatly appreciated.

I like the idea of a calendar. There are some really great shots posted here.



I really like the idea of a Calendar, that would be very cool!

I don't really like to have Challenges that narrow the participation. For example, this months Challenge is WIDE ANGLE lenses. I didn't want to say, " Only those with 24mm lenses". I said 55mm and down. This opens it up to almost everyone as most of us have a kit lens, or a standard 50mm lens or less.

To ask for Macro images with only 105mm lens submissions would eliminate most of the PN membership and I don't find this type of Challenge in keeping with the spirit of full participation to all.

I would prefer the Challenges to be more specific to forcing people to learn from their experience. Like portrait work, or light specific, etc. If we were to do contests, I would like them to be the same, open ended, but a step up in difficulty, yet open to all members to try. Learning and having fun is the underlining theme in this.

I am not big on fees, however, if printing a calendar is involved, I am happy to do something like this. I have years of printing experience and lots of printer contacts and would be happy to channel some energy towards this. I am sure Darrell has his share of contacts as well.

If Darrell can get a voting feature turned on for PN, then we can give this a shot, if for no other reason than to try it out.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:26 AM

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

I didn't want to say, " Only those with 24mm lenses". I said 55mm and down. This opens it up to almost everyone as most of us have a kit lens, or a standard 50mm lens or less.

To ask for Macro images with only 105mm lens submissions would eliminate most of the PN membership and I don't find this type of Challenge in keeping with the spirit of full participation to all.



You missed understood. You don't need a 50mm prime lens to shoot 50mm, most kits have zooms and can be set to 50mm. So, in my example it would be normal lens (which would be 35-55 depending on DX/FX) and portrait. Just like your wide angle, shoot wide. My point was having more to the challenge than just shoot a picture. Other challenges can be shoot wide open for short DOF. My point is to have something to build a technique, not limit anyone. The still life was a technical challenge, and even sparked conversations to determine what a still life actually was. I would think, a challenge would help to build composition skills, or I could have just taken a picture of a wall with my 16mm and still be valid for the challenge. But, I would not have learned anything. Wouldn't that be what voting was for? Not only to take a shot, but to be a good shot, composition and all the rest that make a good image? Again, just my opinion.

Edited by Dennis, 11 October 2012 - 01:08 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:00 AM

You missed understood. You don't need a 50mm prime lens to shoot 50mm, most kits have zooms and can be set to 50mm. So, in my example it would be normal lens (which would be 35-55 depending on DX/FX) and portrait. Just like your wide angle, shoot wide. My point was having more to the challenge than just shoot a picture. Other challenges can be shoot wide open for short DOF. My point is to have something to build a technique, not limit anyone. The still life was a technical challenge, and even sparked conversations to determine what a still life actually was. I would think, a challenge would help to build composition skills, or I could have just taken a picture of a wall with my 16mm and still be valid for the challenge. But, I would not have learned anything. Wouldn't that be what voting was for? Not only to take a shot, but to be a good shot, composition and all the rest that make a good image? Again, just my opinion.



Perfect!

I especially like the DoF example. This is absolutely, a perfect example of what a Challenge should have. Really, come to think of it, the Challenges should really be treated as Workshops.

DoF control is one example
Lighting and shadows is another example
Composition, drawing the eye to different parts of the picture another example etc

All these are excellent Workshop/Challenge techniques you can learn from. I like it!!

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:55 PM

The plus and minus buttons have never worked for me. I always get a message that I can't do that because I have reached my quota.
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The plus and minus buttons have never worked for me. I always get a message that I can't do that because I have reached my quota.


They are not turned on. The feature isn't available and that is the set system response for everyone.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:11 AM

I was thinking about something Cliff posted about the word Contest. He said it implies a prize for the win.

Perhaps, a Competition would be a better way to describe it?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:12 AM

I am against the contest idea. Judging is subjective and therefore we run the risk of offending lots of folks and losing membership. Probably, like many of you, I have seen photos posted that, in my opinion were not worthy of day light. I know this because I have posted a few myself. But on the other hand, these same photos are given accolades by others. NO CONTEST because we have no objective way to judge. I always harken back to a photo contest I entered a few years ago: A photo of a 7-10 year old fishing on a pier. Under exposed by two stops and out of focus, poorly presented and it won 2nd place. I asked one of the judges about why she voted for it: It was cute is all I got. BTW, there was objective criteria for this contest. Go Figure ! I disagree with this. As part of the NECC and our monthly contests we are judged when we submit an entry and depending on the judge we may or may not like the outcome. At least with our judges they explain why they gave or took away points and always stick around to answer questions. And they never say "It's cute" they always give constructive critizim.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:58 PM

I like the idea of a contest/comp (what ever you want to call it, all photography is subjective, and it basically all comes down to each individuals opinion of the photo anyway) it also gives an idea of what people all over PN like, and what appeals to our different tastes, Id be really interested to see how many people voted for one of my pics verses another one,(even if its another one of mine) I dont think anyone should get offended if someone else doesnt like their photo, if "you" like it, then its not "wrong" but could be a good opportunity to work on your style anyway, my 2 cents :-)
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