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Posted 28 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

Courtesy of Nikon Rumours.

 

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 01:37 PM

I know a lot of what is coming in is speculation .... But it would appear that what will come out is basically a  full frame version of the D500.

Just me ... It appears that Nikon didn't really put anything  "NEW"  into the mix ... No EVF, no mirrorless, no 50+ MP. Nothing Earth Shattering.

I would still buy one, but it seems they wont be ready until very late in the year.



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Posted 28 July 2017 - 02:07 PM

More than 8 FPS makes this one amazing camera!

Better have a buffer to match!

End of the year is fine, you will need the time to SELL YOUR HOUSE, in order to afford to buy one! :lol:

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 02:22 PM

End of the year is fine, you will need the time to SELL YOUR HOUSE, in order to afford to buy one! :lol:

 

Or the Mustang, Art!

 

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:04 PM

If it's 42mp and faster than 8fps it is a game changer for wildlife shooters and the extra MP will still attract portrait and landscape shooters.

But the buffer will have to be updated and how will Nikon prevent Pros from picking the D850 vs D5 what will they cripple on the D850 prevent this or will they up the price so the difference is minimal. Because if it's 10 fps with the updated AF system and a deep buffer at 42mp then I could see all but the diehard sports guys buying the D850.

Very interesting

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:05 PM

Regardless it will out of my price range and I'm trending smaller bodies any way.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:33 PM

Ok $4400 us what was the D800 when it came out?

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:56 PM

Well, lets see what the final specs will be and price in Oct. Nikon might be desperate enough to make the price attractive and sacrifice the D500/D5. Those who want/needed a D5, got it already. Most likely the D500 as well. If Nikon doesn't do a great mirrorless, the they may reduce the price of the D500 as well.

Just have to wait and see.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:57 PM

But, then again, Nikon can be Nikon.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:04 PM

 

Or the Mustang, Art!

 

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:05 PM

Ok $4400 us what was the D800 when it came out?

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I think I paid $3600 all in.  Then the price went up something stupid!


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:09 PM

If it's 42mp and faster than 8fps it is a game changer for wildlife shooters and the extra MP will still attract portrait and landscape shooters.

But the buffer will have to be updated and how will Nikon prevent Pros from picking the D850 vs D5 what will they cripple on the D850 prevent this or will they up the price so the difference is minimal. Because if it's 10 fps with the updated AF system and a deep buffer at 42mp then I could see all but the diehard sports guys buying the D850.

Very interesting

Jim

 

Again, I have said this before.....

 

If they want to sell skid loads of these things....

 

1) Step up to the plate and make it a category killing product like the D800 was.

2) Have the proper sized buffer

3) have the right MP increase... 42 is not enough... should be 48

4) FPS should be a minimum of 8, if it is 10.... OMG or more even better

5) PRICE!  They will make a killing on this camera, my logic would be to have it properly priced so EVERYONE wants one.  Under $4000.

 

If a pro gives up his D5 for this, NIKON WINS

If everyone with a Nikon DSLR flocks to the D850, NIKON WINS

If Canon users dump their gear and go to the D850, NIKON WINS

 

Where they don't win is if people say.... "its too expensive".  Then, Nikon loses!

 

This should be the talk of the industry for 3 months, just like the D800 was.  Sell BOATLOADS!  That is the name of the game.


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:22 PM

Ok $4400 us what was the D800 when it came out?

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D800 was $3000 US and D800e was $3300 US at introduction in Spring 2012


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:33 PM

So if the D850 rumor price is right it is $1100-1300$ more than the D800 launch prices.

Not an economist but that seems like a huge increase.

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Posted 29 July 2017 - 10:15 AM

So if the D850 rumor price is right it is $1100-1300$ more than the D800 launch prices.
Not an economist but that seems like a huge increase.
Jim


That is a price gouging increase!

$4k CDN tops or I am not interested!

Just as happy to buy a slightly used D810.

And, they get zero.

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Posted 29 July 2017 - 12:32 PM

That is a price gouging increase!

$4k CDN tops or I am not interested!

Just as happy to buy a slightly used D810.

And, they get zero.

 

Art, I'm quoting this, but all your posts to this thread make a lot of sense.

 

I particularly agree with the $4k CDN ceiling that you are suggesting; and what might happen if it's priced beyond that.  I paid just over $3k CDN for my D810, and that was 2 years ago Monday.  If the sticker shock on the D850 is bad enough, a lot of folks will also be just as happy to buy that slightly used D810.  I still really love mine.  :)


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Posted 30 July 2017 - 11:36 AM

This camera may be the thing that gets me back to the Nikon side from Fuji. Even if I don't buy it (but the D500 or something) it got me thinking again about Nikon and the parts I always liked about Nikon. The ergonomics are so much nicer on Nikon. I do wish that the D850 would have a hybrid EVF, though.

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:39 AM

Sony A99II is selling for $3200 42mp 10 FPS, EVF OLED

If Sony had their lens selection issues worked out I would be very tempted. I have a significant investment in Nikon glass so I would have to either sell out Nikon or ease into Sony a little at a time??



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Posted 31 July 2017 - 09:41 AM

Problem with some brands, SONY included, is they do not hold their value or are as easy to sell as Nikon, Canon, Olympus or Fuji... (I am sure I missed a name brand or two).

 

You invest $3200 and after the fact, when you want to upgrade to the next greatest thing since Donut Hole bits.... no one wants to pay or purchase the camera.  I could be wrong, but from what I see locally, these "other" brands are simply not popular on many levels.  I know SONY sells, I never see any serious users buying them or using them in my usual haunts.  I can't even remember seeing a serious SONY DSLR with any kind of serious glass at any of the usual spots I visit.  Toronto has more than its fair share of serious photographers who spend a ton of money on gear.... just not on SONY that I have seen.

 

And again, I could be wrong... but if I am right, why would you want to make a $3,200 "investment" in something that for all intents and purposes is a $3,200 burn?

 

As much as I give kudos to SONY for some nice specs.... (please, feel free to disagree with me, I will not be offended)

 

1) I don't hold SONY in any high regards as a manufacturer

- their fortunes change on a dime and so does their commitment to any segment of their business

- one day they are serious about cameras... the next day... GONE (just me gut feeling)

- no thanks.  I prefer to deal with a company whose livelihood depends on photography

 

2) some specs are phenomenal... others are not.  

- AF points not easy to see (how frustrating would this be in sports or nature photography?)

- performance issues when using 3rd party lenses!  REALLY?  :lol:

- issues with color when shooting jpgs

- slots are not up to the latest technology

- AF issues

 

 

This camera seems to have more "issues" than benefits and more apologies for purchasing it than reasons based on sound technological advancement.  What will this be worth when the A99III comes out and they solve the issues of the model II?

 

3) Lens selection?

- SONY has a growing stable but I will stick with tried and true.

- not cheap, not 100% reliable (read about issues in some reviews with AF, subject tracking etc.) or compatible

- again ... resale value?

 

At $3200, you could get a really, really gently used D810 that will run circles around this camera, for $3200 new! Remember, the D810 is 2 years older than the A99II, so the slight edge in performance improvements goes to SONY.  Not enough for me to jump ship to SONY.  36mp - 42mp?  Same reason I didn't upgrade from my D800 to D810.  Not enough of an advancement.

 

If I had to jump ship to another brand today... in order of preference and #1 and #2 would be a painful decision....

 

1) Fuji (seems to be the smartest company on the market at the moment making the best valued product)

2) Olympus

3) Pentax

4) Canon (if I absolutely had to)

5) Leica (this would be number 1 if money were no object)

.... SONY.... I would make a PIN HOLE camera and go back to film.  I despise this company based on past experience with Customer Service issues. My home is currently SONY free!
 

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 10:27 AM

So I'm kinda wondering how ya feel about Sony, Art?   :)

I have played with a Sony in the store a bit and was not aware of all the issues....

While the Nikon is the better camera the competition is Sony and that's who Nikon must be competitive with.

Nikon gotta keep Art happy too



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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:27 AM

I know a lot of photog using sony camera. Matt Klowskowski was nikon, switch to canon (I think we was forced to) and now is a big sony photog; http://mattk.com/gear/

 

Frank doorhof switch from canon to sony; see his pictures here; https://frankdoorhof.smugmug.com/

 

A lot of my friends, not as famous, have gone to sony, they shoot landscapes. Carry it because it is a lighter beast. Modern camera's can all do landscapes pretty well. So, weight can be a good reason to jump ship.

 

The question is not; what's my next camera. It should be, what's my next project? What techniques do I need to build that I'm lacking in my current photography? I understand, some folks want to keep up with tech, and that is valid. But, when folks want to jump ship because they think it is a better camera, that's (in my opinion) is the wrong reason. If one can not quantify what you need (not want) from a camera body, then it's just tech bling.  

 

Now, I'm not trying to knock people that are waiting for the D850. I think, Nikon is going for the pro, and that is why it looks like a mini pro body based on the limited pictures I have seen. That alone, excites me, and frightens me. Pro body weather sealing, with pro prices.  :unsure:

 

Will it be priced above, at, or below the D500?


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:33 AM

How do I feel about SONY? :lol: don't ask! ;)

Latest rumor...

The 850 will be based on D5 not the D810!!!

So, looks like pure pro body.

Also ...$4699 CDN!

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:03 PM

D5 20.8 FX sensor $6,496.96 usa

 

D500 20.8 DX sensor $1,996.95 usa

 

D810 36.3 FX sensor $2,996.95 usa

 

So we know the top, not greater than $6,000.

 

We know the bottom, not less than $3,000.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:21 PM

Sony A99II is selling for $3200 42mp 10 FPS, EVF OLED

If Sony had their lens selection issues worked out I would be very tempted. I have a significant investment in Nikon glass so I would have to either sell out Nikon or ease into Sony a little at a time??

 

Blanco, Sony users have told me that Nikon mount adaptors are available.  I heard that they don't permit full functionality, but no hard info on that.  :)


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:25 PM

There will be a big drop in demand if the D850 is above $4000.  I suspect the price point will be in the $3300-3600 range.

 

The frame rate and the buffer are nice, but not critical.  A high resolution camera is never going to be an action camera.  It might fill that role occasionally, but there are better action cameras.  An FX action camera could make sense, but you don't need 42 or 48 MP.  I do want a new high resolution camera - Nikon's answer to medium format.  There are some situations that benefit from large files and high resolution.

 

I like the idea of a little improvement in frame rate.  8 fps would be nice.  Either way, a much bigger buffer is needed.  The D500 has a 1.3GB buffer and that's probably enough with XQD cards.  The D5 processor is faster than the D500 and has a much bigger buffer.  It writes to the XQD card faster.  It would be nice to see a fast processor if we have big files.

 

I would not expect the D850 to be mirrorless or have features geared to that market.  That's probably a new model to be released in the future.  Mirrorless gets a lot of attention for light weight and smaller size, but I could pick camera bodies and lenses that are very near mirrorless or better.  Usually the lighter lenses have more plastic, less glass, and are slower.  In the Nikon lineup, there is a 14-24 with stellar quality that is a tank, the 16-35 is a good bit lighter, has VR, and gives up a stop.  The 18-35 is much smaller and lighter, but gives up VR and has a variable aperture.  The quality is very good on all of them, but if you want lightest weight the 18-35 is pretty darn good.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:31 PM

At $3200, you could get a really, really gently used D810 that will run circles around this camera, for $3200 new! Remember, the D810 is 2 years older than the A99II, so the slight edge in performance improvements goes to SONY.  Not enough for me to jump ship to SONY.  36mp - 42mp?  Same reason I didn't upgrade from my D800 to D810.  Not enough of an advancement.

 

Or for an extra $500, you can buy a brand new D810 with a full warranty.  Broadway Cameras is currently listing body only at $3,699 CDN.  I bought mine 2 years ago today, and I can tell you that I didn't pay that much.  ;)

 

Dennis, using Broadway Cameras as my benchmark, the D810 is $1,000 more than the D500.  I don't see how the D850 could be priced less than the D500.  :)


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 12:57 PM

Of course, as soon as I leave here, Nikon Rumours is out with another update.

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-114369


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:57 AM

Peter, on Nikon Rumors, said he's preparing another update now that Thom Hogan is back to share his unique commentary. Like him or not, Thom holds a lot of sway. I have been annoyed at a lot of Nikon's stuff lately but maybe I rally to the underdog a bit on some things. I have used Fuji for several years now and dabbled with a D750 for a while. But Nikon's woes, plus engineering excellence, has me thinking of returning. I have a D5300 I use for Astro work (deep sky, not astrolandscape) so I am thinking of selling my Fuji stuff and just use my D5300 and maybe add a lens (the new 70-300 VR) and call it a day for a while.

In any case, for an enthusiast like myself, it is only partly about the right tool for the job. It's also about having fun while doing it. If I was doing this professionally I'm sure I'd make many different choices.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:18 PM

Nikon Rumours seems to be all over this.  Here's the latest update.

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-114316


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:38 PM

The latest update is good. And Thom Hogan posted some stuff about it today as well. Apparently, according to him, there are still several surprises that no one has speculated on or reasoned out. I'll be curious. What I would love, I think, is an updated D500. One that gets updated with the D850 type goodies.




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