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Posted 11 November 2013 - 12:57 AM

You have heard me speak of working in darkness. Well, this shoot was the worst yet. Darn it, pay the light bill!

Shot at 128,000  1/400th @ 2.8  +03

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:56 AM

Message captured. What were u photo-shooting with?


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Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:16 PM

D4 I had the 80-200 on one cam and 300 on the other. PJ, I was so upset about this. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP for these little guys, held just outside Nashville.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 06:54 PM

WoW...bummer.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:39 PM

Really!  They didn't turn all the lights on…. unbelievable.   Did anyone go and ask management why?


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:09 PM

It was also a baseball park. And... Art, sometimes, people don't care too much about lights. 


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

Phil, great pick, regardless!

 

Really, the park manager should be reported.  If this is a public park run by the city, someone should call.  A private park?  Well….


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Posted 10 February 2014 - 12:28 AM

Sad for the kids since it was such a big game! Nice shot thought and I hope the kids still had a good time.

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 07:46 AM

128000 ! that is just incredible, how do you control the noise?


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 01:35 PM

Hey Gary,

I set Noise Reduction on high in the D4 menu. That filter does a pretty good job without messing with the image. In PShop, I have added the Noise Ninja plugin. The plugin for raw is Photo Ninja. You can try it free but I think it watermarks until you pay. NN has various controls and you can tune-in to the conditions. Keeping contrast down is usually my biggest challenge, not so much noise. I bet the D800 is even better at low light than D4.

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 07:04 PM

Phil from what I've heard the D4 and the Df are the low light kings beating the D600/10 and D800. A friend of mine has all three and he rates the D800 last the D4 the best by a large margin. But he will shoot the D800 at 3200 like we used to shoot at 200, my D600 is great at 1600 have not really pushed it yet but I will next week at the basketball game in what I call the cave. I'm sure Art can tell us more about the D800 at high ISO. Jim

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MF Rokinon 85mm f1.4 ASP AE UMC(Ai-P)

 



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 07:44 PM

Hey Gary,

I set Noise Reduction on high in the D4 menu. That filter does a pretty good job without messing with the image. In PShop, I have added the Noise Ninja plugin. The plugin for raw is Photo Ninja. You can try it free but I think it watermarks until you pay. NN has various controls and you can tune-in to the conditions. Keeping contrast down is usually my biggest challenge, not so much noise. I bet the D800 is even better at low light than D4.

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That is incredible performance


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 08:33 PM

Those are amazing at ISO 128,000- The High ISO of my newly acquired Df is "mind-blowing", same sensor as the D4.

 

Are you shooting uncompressed Raw and then converting? I've got on my "to do list" to check the difference between compressed and uncompressed NEF for high-ISO images.


Edited by BrianS, 14 February 2014 - 08:34 PM.

Nikkor-SC 5cm F1.5. And maybe 100 or so other Nikkor lenses. Maybe 60 of those are on Nikon cameras right now.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 10:49 PM

I shoot all sports as jpegs. 

I have played with the high ISO images a lot. I am rarely on a deadline, but some Friday nights I have to get my images in by 11. I do not have time to play with editing. I have never seen an image printed bigger than 8X10 from one of those128K exposures and I hope no one asks.


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 09:30 AM

I'm sure Art can tell us more about the D800 at high ISO. Jim

The D4 blows the D800 out of the water in terms of ISO capabilities, I don't think you can compare the two cameras in this regard. The D800, in my opinion, is not a Sports/Action photography camera. Using it in "Pro" situations would be silly as you would be handicapping your self in situations where burst shots are required to get the "money shot". Why? ISO performance is fine under some circumstances but would fall miserably short in situations like this one Phil describes. The main reason, in my opinion, that it is not a sports camera is the buffer in the D800 is simply too small. It fills up too quickly when you shoot a burst and freezes the camera until it is cleared. Not at all ideal in money making situations. I have been frustrated by this many times when out shooting nature! If I was doing the type of work Phil does.... D4 all the way, the D800 would not even be considered as a second back up body.
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Posted 17 February 2014 - 05:48 PM

The fast shutter speeds and low light capabilities of cameras help get photos, period. 

Just to compare today's techniques and technology with the way it was for me in the 1990's...

 

The sports guys at the daily paper needed photo art by 10:30 on a Friday night. Football games began around 7 or 7:30 and varsity boys basketball began just about 8. I used manual focus cameras film cameras. (Canon F1 and A1, then Nikon F3 F4) You could only shoot a quarter, or maybe a half then head back to the paper to develop film. Get the chemicals ready, lights off, load the film in the dark. Lights on, check the temperature of the chemistry and use "the chart" to see how long to leave in the developer. Watch the timer, look at the clock. Timer was slow, the clock always ran faster! This is when I thought back about which shots I thought I got. 

Stop the film with stop bath, rinse, pour in fixer...watch the clock. Pour out the fixer, begin washing film. We used a chemical called Orbit bath that was suppose to cut down wash time. Washing over... we had a film dryer that would take the reels with film on them. Load the reels, crank-up the dryer. I knew exactly how long it took for the top reel to dry. Finally, strip the film from the reel, hold the film to the light, and see if there are images on it.

Next, take the film to the enlarger and see if the shots I thought I had were in focus. I printed the first one I saw that had face-action-ball. On a good night that would be before 10. I Developed that one print and put it in to wash. Then I looked at the film to find that really good (lucky shot) and get it printed, developed and in the wash. I knew prints dried in less than 5 minutes. We used resin coated, multicontrast paper and normally printed with a 2 1/2 contrast filter.

On a good night I walked into the newsroom with 3 photos before 10:30. The sports editor said thanks and told me to enter the cutline data. That was the only computer process. If there was dust on the negative, too bad...scratches, too bad, dark or light, too bad.

On a bad night it was 10:30 and I had not finished processing and the guy on the sports desk came in to the darkroom. I hated that!

Out of focus was the biggest problem on action. But, I always shot a photo of the coach with a player, or in basketball, a free-throw shooter. In football it was the same thing with the coach and the quarter back looking to my side of the field. Those were the "safe" shots.

 

With auto focus, digital cameras that shoot in the dark, and computers that can correct photos and send the photos into the paper within minutes, I guess there can be no excuses. 


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 07:54 PM

What a great read. Phil. Thanks for sharing that.  I went to a seminar by a local newspaper pro photog who's safe shot was the JUBI as he called it.

 

The jubilation shots happen after the players scored and then celebrated.  He would do the same thing, get a few of those in the can, and if he missed the goal, the JUBI was the next best thing!

 

Aside from wanting to be a Rock Star as a kid (tone deaf, no singing voice, can't carry a note, can't play any instrument, nor can I read music!), Pro Photographer was my next "ideal" profession.  Always wondered whether or not I could have made a go of it.  Here, weddings pay the bills and keep food on the table and I have to tell you…. NOT FOR ME…. so maybe, I did the right thing…. choosing Rock Star… no wait… that didn't pan out either!!  :lol:

 

I probably would have ended up in a war zone, knowing me… I think things turned out for the best but it seems like a great profession if you can make a go of it.  Probably the best, in my mind.

 

I can relate to everything you posted about developing film because I used to do it.  I built a darkroom in my parents basement.  GraLab Timer, can't remember the enlarger, but I spent 100's of hours pouring over negatives and making prints.  Loved every minute of it.  Scratches did matter to me, I was pretty fussy then, but you simply couldn't avoid them, especially if you bulk rolled your film.  I still have my trays, thermometer, stainless still developing tin, Timer etc.  Have to dig this stuff up.

 

Thanks for sharing your story, really enjoyed it.


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Posted 22 February 2014 - 01:50 AM

I am glad it was a good read Art. In one of our moves, I had to promise my wife... No darkrooms and no "studio rooms." So, a towel under the bathroom door at night got me by for awhile. I actually quit the bulk loading due to scratches. We put nose grease on them when we had to have the shot. Those were the days...


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