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#1 mike_flood

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 12:30 PM

http://www.epson.com...es&oid=56095892

If I didn't already have one of these I'd buy one.
Nice savings and they pay grond shipping.

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 12:53 PM

Mike, Man...I want one of these! I am now carrying 8-gigabytes worth of CF cards, just so I'll have room for shooting 'till my lens falls off. What do you think of yours? One of these portable hard drives would be great! Thanks for the post. DD
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#3 mule_patterson

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 10:56 PM

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but is this item "Refurbished" and run off a hard drive? The lifespan isn't long on these items and repairs are not a viable option, which is also the case for other hard drive-based devices like an iPod. I'd rather buy a cheap display device with DVD capability, computing power and connectivity - like a refurbished laptop!

Edited by mule_patterson, 23 February 2006 - 11:01 PM.

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#4 DigitalDarrell

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 11:50 PM

Mule, Hmmm, you sound quite negative this evening. Is your digestive system bothering you? A 40GB portable hard drive (with a 1200G impact rating) will hold about 20,000 two-megabyte JPEGS. A cheap 2GB CF card will hold about 1,000. Quite a BIG difference. Put another way, I can cram 3,636 NEF files on one of these little babies, compared to 181 on a cheap 2GB CF card. I have purchased several refurbished items in my time, and used them for years and years. I think I know what the REAL problem is here. You lost a couple hundred premium images a while back due to the failure of an IBM Microdrive, so, your vision is clearly clouded toward the venerable and long lasting portable hard drive solution. I love hard drives. I have, at this time, 1.6 terabytes of the little jewels, eating up fairly serious quantities of hot electricity here where I am sitting. I have four IBM Microdrives I've been using CONTINUOUSLY since 2002 without a single lost image. I LOVE HARD DRIVES and want more....more...more! BAH!
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#5 mule_patterson

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 11:58 PM

I did, in fact, lose an entire GB of images on my last vacation due to a Microdrive failure. And I believe you informed me you no longer trust Microdrives and will not use them due to their increasing age... let's be truthful now! (I had a fine repast this evening, by the way - MoJo chicken, panfried potatoes and onions and corn on the cob - with a Whitehouse Cherry Klondike for dessert!) Seriously, NOBODY should buy Microdrives regardless of price - they are fragile and unacceptable for professional users. That was the basis for my comments on ALL hard drive based devices that can be dropped on a sidewalk.
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#6 DigitalDarrell

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 12:11 AM

In fact, my kiddies all have Microdrives and take about 3000 pictures per day with them. I love Microdrives, long live Microdrives. I love my 4GB Hitachi, and use it regularly. Admit it...you probably carried that poor old Microdrive around in a sweaty back pocket for 6 days, then dropped it three times BEFORE it failed. See, I'm on to you! And...you should have photographed that lovely meal before you ate it. how, else will you remember it?
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#7 mule_patterson

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 12:52 PM

Getting back to an intelligent discussion on this subject, I just picked up an old Toshiba Tecra 8100 laptop for free - it needs a new battery ($58 online). I intend to use it strictly for displaying images to my wedding clients. It will be useful for downloading images at assignments too but little else as its processing power is scanty and it's not likely to live for more than a year or two before the tiny 20GB hard drive fails. Flash technology manufacturing is maturing and is currently replacing the last of the analogy memory devices - with MP3 playback devices taking the lead, we're already seeing the demise of hard drive iPods and other audio/video devices in this more costly form as a whole raft of new technologies take advantage of the formfactor freedom flash memory affords electronic designers. I'm hungry - what's for lunch?

Edited by mule_patterson, 27 February 2006 - 12:54 PM.

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#8 mike_flood

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 07:46 PM

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but is this item "Refurbished" and run off a hard drive? The lifespan isn't long on these items and repairs are not a viable option, which is also the case for other hard drive-based devices like an iPod.

I'd rather buy a cheap display device with DVD capability, computing power and connectivity - like a refurbished laptop!

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A few years ago we made a trip to Italy. I had my Fuji S2 and an X's Drive with a 20 gig HHD in it. Each evening when we returned to the hotel I dutifully copied all the images on my 1 Gig CF card(s) that I had used that day to the X's drive.
I came home with some 1,100 images. But each night I wondered if the storage process had been successful. I was very relieved to find that the only problem had been my fault one day when I appearantly missed a step somewhere and didn't copy one days worth of work. There no subsequent days shots missed so I'm taking the blame for a cockpit error. But with my X's Drive I had no way to review what had been stored nor any way to tell how close I was to filling the drive. The 2nd step each night was to recharge the camera batteries. And I NEVER trusted the batteries built into the X's Drive and always ran it on the AC adaptor.

Now we are about 5 weeks away from departing on a 16 day cruise from NYC to Rome with stops in about 10 locations. I don't want to spend agonizing time wondering if I got all my images transferred before I clear the CF cards for the next day.
Here are some of the factors I took into consideration in making a selection.

1. For my purposes carrying a laptop/notebook PC was not practical. I wanted something I could put in my pocket or camera backpack.

2. Something like the Epson P-2000 or Nikon Coolwalker with a color display, built-in card reader and USB connectivity seemed like it would fill the need. The main advantage I could see in the Epson was the larger screen. The Coolwalker is less expensive but also has a screen that is the same size as my D2X.

The P-2000 has a built in CF and SD reader. It has the ability to automatically store each transferred set of images in folders labled with the date
If more than one transfer is made that day a sequence number is appened to the date in each subsequent file for that day so everything is separate.
You can review images on the memory card before you transfer them.

If you shoot NEF files and set the D2X to save both NEF and JPG files you can run a slide show to "amaze your fellow travelers". Many people will say "but you waste space saving two files for the same photo." To some extent that's true but I shoot compressed NEF's at a file size of 12+ megabytes each.
The smallest, lowest quality JPG I can save is just under 400K. The P-2000 will run a slide show of just the jpgs and auto-rotate them as it goes.
The P-2000 will show you the .jpg image embedded in the NEF file but not the NEF file contents themselves. (This is not a defect in the P-2000. No media storage device availabe today that I know will actually decode raw files. Even your camera is only showing you the .jpg thumbnail in the NEF file.

The ability to do other things other than store photos with the P-2000 wasn't a deciding factor for me. But it will play mp3's and mpg video.
So I can copy mp3 audio books and have music for entertainment if I get bored.
(boredom not likely) In the event that I start running out of space on the 40 gig HDD I can delete stuff.

I presently have several hundred photos, about 300 mp3's and two unabriged audio books residing on the P-2000. It reports that 5 gigabytes of space has been used. The operating system on the HDD takes about 4 gigbytes.

It will connect to your computer by USB 2.0 and does pretty speedy transfers either direction. It's PC and Mac compatible.

Size and weight of either the P-2000 or the Coolwalker make it possible keep with you. I made a small battery adaptor that holds 4 AA cells and recharges or runs the P-2000 in case it's replaceable, propriatary rechargeable battery runs down.
Now that I have both a 2 gig and 4 gig CF card I don't anticipate a need to carry the P-2000 with me each day. We'll be back on our home base ship each night.
I'll have storage for just under 300 images on the two CF cards.

While my P-2000 is new I'd have bought the refurb.
Refurbs don't bother me. I figure a reputable company will take extra care to make sure that the refurb has all the bugs out of it so it won't come back again.

I also feel like I'm more likely drop or otherwise damage a computer. But mine is new, not a refurb so I'm not sweating that. I bought the unit well in advance of our trip so I could give it a good testing and learn how to use it. Just before Christmas Epson dropped the price by $49 and paid the shipping. That pushed me over the edge of a decision I was about to make anyway.

I would not hesitate to recommend the P-2000 to anyone who wants a photo storge device with an outstandingly beautiful image display. Everyone I've shown the unit to has said something like "Wow" or the equivilent.

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#9 mike_flood

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 07:58 PM

I did, in fact, lose an entire GB of images on my last vacation due to a Microdrive failure. And I believe you informed me you no longer trust Microdrives and will not use them due to their increasing age... let's be truthful now! (I had a fine repast this evening, by the way - MoJo chicken, panfried potatoes and onions and corn on the cob - with a Whitehouse Cherry Klondike for dessert!)

Seriously, NOBODY should buy Microdrives regardless of price - they are fragile and unacceptable for professional users. That was the basis for my comments on ALL hard drive based devices that can be dropped on a sidewalk.

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I strongly agree with your feelings about the Microdrive. They were fine in the early days of digital photography when you needed lots of storage. I bought two of the 1gigs. One died and only by luck it was when I didn't have anything on it I couldn't affored to lose. I still have the 2nd one and NEVER use it.

What amazed me about the Microdrive is that when I inquired about warranty replacement I was told that the warranty period begans the instant the device is made, not when you buy and start to use it. My warranty was up.
Asking if the drive could be repaired therer was a one word reply. NO !

IBM has since sold their hard drive business to Hitachi. You can be assured that if someone asks me if I want to buy a Hitachi hard drive they'll get a one word answer. NO !

Microdrive-type devices are on the market now in larger sizes and a prices usually lower than the CF equivilent. Those who strictly make buying decisions based on price alone will pay somehow later when the device fails due to being dropped, run through the laundry in a shirt pocket or other trauma.

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 02:19 PM

Mike-
I truly appreciate your comments. The compromise of any storage device is usually immediate and unforeseen, so let's all accept that 'trust' only exists while all is well. Backup onsite is a valid insurance only if the images can be retaken. Still beats the film experience, eh? Nuff said...

I am intrigued by this Epson device and agree a laptop is unweildy in many situations that require mobility and lightweight. For my purposes, presenting wedding images (or any images for that matter it is still a matter of viewing size. Maybe I'm old fashioned and still carry a classical attitude of displaying photographs. I'm going to look at this device again...

Either way, hard drives will diminish as solid state replaces it. Lexar puts a lifetime warranty on their pro cards - my NYP 2GB generic CF card ($76 shipped) also came with a lifetime warranty for much less than any Lexar sells for. These consumables will continue to be subject to consumer demand and price point marketing, which means we always win when we shop smart!

PS: The Epson P-200 is still available NEW for $359 after $50 rebate at places like this:
http://www.uniquepho...f05e1ceebaeb1f3

Edited by mule_patterson, 05 March 2006 - 02:23 PM.

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