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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:37 AM

Looks like they are REALLY stepping up their game....

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:56 AM

WOW.

 

Nice.

 

Too bad its SONY.  :P

 

Not for:

 

Love

Money

Mega Pixels

ISO

FPS

or a Hollywood Starlet.....


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:56 AM

Agree.  

 

Meanwhile, I can hear the sound of crickets emanating from Nikon World HQ.  :angry:


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:56 AM

:lol:

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:57 AM

WOW.

 

Nice.

 

Too bad its SONY.  :P

 

Not for:

 

Love

Money

Mega Pixels

ISO

FPS

or a Hollywood Starlet.....

 

I should add that I will NOT sell the D810, even if Nikon has its head in the sand.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:07 PM

I deleted the one I posted, we don't need two threads.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 12:37 PM

Wow

$4500 is a lot of money but I guess that it's supposed to compete in the Nikon D5 or Canon 1D world so $4500 is not outrageous.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 01:12 PM

There lenses are just as expensive. It's a pretty penny to jump ship.

 

 

I was hoping that Nikon would have come out first. In the DX world, you have Fuji, and if the A9 proves to be good IQ. Well, folks are going to think twice and that's not a good thing. I wouldn't jump ship, but....


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:07 PM

Wow.... now if Nikon can get there hands on this sensor... and produce a mirrorless FF :rolleyes: .... but maybe this is why Sony changed their sensor sales policy ;)


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:11 PM

If I went Sony the A7 would be plenty, 


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:29 PM

Wow.... now if Nikon can get there hands on this sensor... and produce a mirrorless FF :rolleyes: .... but maybe this is why Sony changed their sensor sales policy ;)

 

Their loss, just makes me dislike them more.

 

SONY has had their issues with major financial write downs. Their Entertainment unit was in the news today... looks good on them too!


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 02:35 PM

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:55 PM

I'll just stay put with my D810, thank you very much!

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:22 PM

I'll just stay put with my D810, thank you very much!

Good optics are the best investment...

 

But at what cost Herman?

 

There comes a point where continuing down a path might not be the right thing to do. For many it will be right to keep investing in hideously expensive glass but Nikons problem lies in the other people who are willing to jump ship. That may be those who buy a body and put third party glass on it or it may be those who like myself just chuck it all in and try something new. We're eating away at Nikons profits and they don't have an answer.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:17 PM

I would think any veteran photographer that already has a bunch of Nikkor lenses, or Nikon compatible lenses won't worry too much about picking up the next great Nikkor lens, and happily stay where they are, providing they have a nice body  :P  (camera body guys, camera body)


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 09:02 PM

I think would think any veteran photographer that already has a bunch of Nikkor lenses, or Nikon compatible lenses won't worry too much about picking up the next great Nikkor lens, and happily stay where they are, providing they have a nice body  :P  (camera body guys, camera body)

Well, I've got the body of a 20 year old Marine ... oh you meant camera body - never mind. :blink:

Seriously, I completely agree. With the f/2.8 zooms, a 300/2.8, 85/1.8 and a couple cheaper primes, I and others in similar positions would take a serious bath reinvesting. The presence of the 28-70/2.8 AFS and 24-70/2.8 AFS have dropped the resale value of the 35-70/2.8 to the point that it's better to keep shooting with it than sell. Same with the 20-35/2.8 against the 17-35/2.8 or 16-35/4.

If I were to scrap what I have and start over, the cash outlay would be prohibitive and the difference in the quality of the shots I get wouldn't justify the cost. It might for someone with substantial cash flow from this biz, though.

If I were new to this and just getting into the investment, however, I'd probably go Fuji or Sony given what's been coming from Nikon recently.
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Posted 19 April 2017 - 10:01 PM

I keep thinking Nikon has turned a corner and will quit just warming over the same old models. They already have some killer mirrorless tech of their own. Now if they worked that into their next iteration of the 8XX series 42 MP mirrorless 62 FPS 500 Focus points with fuzzy logic brain steam tracking...... Well I ran out of money a long ways back 


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:03 PM

If I were to scrap what I have and start over, the cash outlay would be prohibitive and the difference in the quality of the shots I get wouldn't justify the cost. 

 

That may not be true anymore.  Both Fuji and Sony have adaptors for lenses from other brands.  BP has one for his Fuji XT-1, but I don't know the specs.  :)


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:09 PM

Not quite what I was expecting from Nikon Rumours, but we've talked about this before.

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-111775


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:13 PM

Thom Hogan is a bit more analytical:

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:11 PM

A good read!

Love the pricing!

100-400mm lens with A9 .... $7000 USD! That's like ... $9k in Monopoly money north of the 49th!

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:36 PM

Of course, it will all depend on what it will do in the hands of folks. Will we see it in the 2018 Olympics? Not in the hands of tried and true pro sitting in the press box. Unless they have time to test it. Also, there is wildlife. Do we need the D5 (or what ever Nikon has for pro's in 2018 [if they do anything  :unsure: ]) AF speed that sports needs? Maybe not so much. It is a small footprint, and that is a plus for wildlife and then hiking for landscape.

 

Even if Sony makes an adapter, you probably would not get the full benefits dedicated lens will have from the body.

 

Even if this turns out to be just a better A7 series, it has this advantage. They did it first. Will they have the upgraded version when Nikon comes out with theirs, if they come out with one?

 

If Nikon makes something like the did with the Df, a good camera but not exactly what was wanted, I don't know what to think. With Nikon not talking, and not doing anything, and this is their 100th year anniversary, you gotta wonder. If they didn't start on any kind of mirrorless, and only just now start to think about it. Will what ever it is be anything good? We never second guess a question like that before.

 

Again, will people sell their stuff and go all Sony, I don't think so. Portrait shooters, now maybe. Frank Doorhof did dump his DSLR's and went Sony A7 series. He's a big Sony guy now. Will there be more pro's? And as BP stated, pro's usually recommend what they use.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:43 PM

Well, I've got the body of a 20 year old Marine ... oh you meant camera body - never mind. :blink:

Seriously, I completely agree. With the f/2.8 zooms, a 300/2.8, 85/1.8 and a couple cheaper primes, I and others in similar positions would take a serious bath reinvesting. The presence of the 28-70/2.8 AFS and 24-70/2.8 AFS have dropped the resale value of the 35-70/2.8 to the point that it's better to keep shooting with it than sell. Same with the 20-35/2.8 against the 17-35/2.8 or 16-35/4.

If I were to scrap what I have and start over, the cash outlay would be prohibitive and the difference in the quality of the shots I get wouldn't justify the cost. It might for someone with substantial cash flow from this biz, though.

If I were new to this and just getting into the investment, however, I'd probably go Fuji or Sony given what's been coming from Nikon recently.

Exactly, resale value being what it is the choices are, take a financial beating or stick with what you have.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:41 PM

Way out of my price range even using monopoly money!

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 08:16 PM

Of course, it will all depend on what it will do in the hands of folks. Will we see it in the 2018 Olympics? Not in the hands of tried and true pro sitting in the press box. Unless they have time to test it. Also, there is wildlife. Do we need the D5 (or what ever Nikon has for pro's in 2018 [if they do anything  :unsure: ]) AF speed that sports needs? Maybe not so much. It is a small footprint, and that is a plus for wildlife and then hiking for landscape.

 

Even if Sony makes an adapter, you probably would not get the full benefits dedicated lens will have from the body.

 

Even if this turns out to be just a better A7 series, it has this advantage. They did it first. Will they have the upgraded version when Nikon comes out with theirs, if they come out with one?

 

If Nikon makes something like the did with the Df, a good camera but not exactly what was wanted, I don't know what to think. With Nikon not talking, and not doing anything, and this is their 100th year anniversary, you gotta wonder. If they didn't start on any kind of mirrorless, and only just now start to think about it. Will what ever it is be anything good? We never second guess a question like that before.

 

Again, will people sell their stuff and go all Sony, I don't think so. Portrait shooters, now maybe. Frank Doorhof did dump his DSLR's and went Sony A7 series. He's a big Sony guy now. Will there be more pro's? And as BP stated, pro's usually recommend what they use.

 

 

See it at the OLYMPICS?

 

:lol:

 

I would say .... NO.  Unless a Photog is PAID to use it.  Although the 20 FPS is sweet, it comes with some issues.  For an event that is so important and so prestigious.... the PROs will stick to tried and true.  Although SONY does have a reasonable stable of glass, it does not compare to Nikon or Canon and that will limit who jumps ship.  After all, it is about glass.

 

This camera, in my opinion, is a wake up call only. They now have the Target on their backs.  It is impressive... but I find it mind boggling if Nikon hasn't got something up their sleeve.  They can't be that mindless.

 

So, we wait until they play their card.

 

In my books, the price is too high for a camera that has some limitations on AF and Tracking.  I would, like to try one, but that is how far my curiosity goes.

 

Nikon needs to come out with a FF, F mount, Mirrorless camera that simply kicks donkey in every way.  I can wait for that, but I am not selling my car to buy one.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:20 PM

 I can wait for that, but I am not selling my car to buy one.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:47 PM

 

 

See it at the OLYMPICS?

 

:lol:

 

I would say .... NO.  Unless a Photog is PAID to use it.  Although the 20 FPS is sweet, it comes with some issues.  For an event that is so important and so prestigious.... the PROs will stick to tried and true.  Although SONY does have a reasonable stable of glass, it does not compare to Nikon or Canon and that will limit who jumps ship.  After all, it is about glass.

 

This camera, in my opinion, is a wake up call only. They now have the Target on their backs.  It is impressive... but I find it mind boggling if Nikon hasn't got something up their sleeve.  They can't be that mindless.

 

So, we wait until they play their card.

 

In my books, the price is too high for a camera that has some limitations on AF and Tracking.  I would, like to try one, but that is how far my curiosity goes.

 

Nikon needs to come out with a FF, F mount, Mirrorless camera that simply kicks ass in every way.  I can wait for that, but I am not selling my car to buy one.

Sony will PAY several photogs to use it at the Olympics.  I can see Sony making a big push to try and increase their sports photography stable by the Olympics.

 

Jim


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:29 AM

Okay, so let's take a step back. What does mirrorless give you that a DSLR doesn't? Higher frame rate and the ability to use the viewfinder when shooting in situations where, with a DSLR, you'd need to lock the mirror up, like shooting video, correct?? Oh and eliminates mirror slap for long exposure stability.

What else??

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:11 PM

Okay, so let's take a step back. What does mirrorless give you that a DSLR doesn't? Higher frame rate and the ability to use the viewfinder when shooting in situations where, with a DSLR, you'd need to lock the mirror up, like shooting video, correct?? Oh and eliminates mirror slap for long exposure stability.

What else??

I read this Thom Hogan article a while back

 

http://www.dslrbodie...mirrorless.html


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:46 PM

Okay, so let's take a step back. What does mirrorless give you that a DSLR doesn't? Higher frame rate and the ability to use the viewfinder when shooting in situations where, with a DSLR, you'd need to lock the mirror up, like shooting video, correct?? Oh and eliminates mirror slap for long exposure stability.

What else??

Other than what you already mentioned I would say size is one thing.  Plus I have heard from several people in the buisness a good EVF costs less than a good Pentaprisim and it is less complex than the mirror/pentaprism system. The EVF is plug and play the Pentaprism is a complex part with many small complex moving parts. 

 

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D700 w/MB-D10, D605 w/MB-D14, D200 w/MB-D200, D50, Coolpix P330.

Nikon 1 stuff: Nikon V1, Nikkor 10mm f2.8 pancake w/HN-N101 & HC-N101, Nikkor 10-30mm f3.5-5.6 w/HB-N101 Aspherical VR,, Nikkor 18.5mm f1.8 w/HB-N104, Nikon 1 FT-1, SB-N5 w/Polaroid Diffuser .

F100 w MB-15, N80, FM3a, FE2(Black and Silver) and EM.

Nikkor 24-85G ED AF-S VR, 70-300G ED AF-S VR, 28-105 3.5-4.5 AF-D, 50 1.8 AF-D, Nikkor 18-35 f3.5-4.5 AF-D ED.

Nikon Series E lens, 28mm, 100mm, 135mm, 75-150mm, 70-210 f4.

MF Nikkor's 50 f2 Ai, 500 f4 ED Ai-P.

 

MF Rokinon 14mm f2.8 ED AE UMC(Ai-P)

MF Rokinon 85mm f1.4 ASP AE UMC(Ai-P)

Sigma 24-70 f2.8 EX DG HSM, Tamron's SP 70-200 f2.8 LD Di IF/Macro BIM, Kenko Pro 300 1.4 TC DGX, Tokina 100 f2.8D Macro At-X.

Pro Manfrotto 055XV with Markins M10 ,Sirui P-326 6-Section Carbon Fiber Monopod with Markins Q3 Emille, Manfrotto Compact MKC3-H01M with Combo Head, 3Pod PTT1H Table Top Tripod with Giottos MH1304 Ballhead.





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