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Posted 27 July 2018 - 11:51 PM

:lol:

Lets see how bright this guy is in a month!

I guess Nikon doesnt contribute to his growing family! ;)
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 12:31 PM

Well, this might tell Mr. Rockwell where the sensor is coming from:

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-124014


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Posted 28 July 2018 - 03:27 PM

Im not sure if anyone confirmed Nikon is using tower jazz for the D850 chip. Nikon is saying this year for the MX, the second project in the link said 2020.

I wonder; Is Nikon going to use the D850 chip?

Is it a bran new chip? And is this new chip the first project?

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 03:29 PM

As for Ken, I thought it was funny that he was pushing Sony products. Must be supported by them, you know, for his growing family. 🤡🤪

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 06:57 PM

We look at the interchangeable camera market from an overall perspective and think that more of the discussions should be around how to grow the overall market versus the current discussion of DSLR versus mirrorless,

https://www.digitalt...pectations/amp/

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:25 PM

Nikon Rumours is having some fun with this. 

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-124202

 

Nice change for a Friday.  Enjoy!


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 12:41 PM

I don't know if I would consider this as new or breaking news.

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-124577

 

However, Nikon Rumours is providing some additional details.  Any bets on whether or not he's right?  :)


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:30 PM

Well find out soon

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 08:37 AM

As we get close to the announcement, the rumor mill is heating up. Mark, he is probably pretty close to 100%. I am sure Nikon purposely leaks stuff to him.
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Posted 20 August 2018 - 12:31 PM

Here's another Nikon Rumours nugget, to add to the feeding frenzy:

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-124819  :)


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 01:59 PM

The new cameras are looking better and better.  Today's release included Marsel van Osten using a Nikon 180-400 with the adaptor.  That's a wildlife lens, so it speaks to excellent AF performance.  

 

Starting to see some discussion about memory cards as well.  It is rumored to be XQD and CFExpress - and I suspect that's a CFExpress slot that will accept XQD 2.0 cards.  ProGrade Digital has announced plans for CFExpress production.  Delkin has announced a mid October XQD release.  And previous reports indicate CFExpress will use the XQD form factor but just add another row of contacts and a software update for much faster speed.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 02:51 PM

Wow, the new mirrorless noise is substantial.

 

Looks like you can use "all your F1 lenses!".  If you watch the clip Nikon released, I believe that is the new 180-400 on the camera, but could be wrong.

 

"ALL" is the operative word!!  

 

I am getting excited.  Can't wait to hear the news.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 03:33 PM

Hmmm.... my 200-500 is wondering how it will perform on it. 

 

Ok, who amoung you will be getting me this camera for my birthday!   LOL


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 10:28 AM

I'm hyped for the 23rd and I don't even plan on buying one... :D


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 12:32 PM

Hmmm.... my 200-500 is wondering how it will perform on it. 

 

Ok, who amoung you will be getting me this camera for my birthday!   LOL

 

Sorry, Dennis.  I can't give you the camera, but I can wish you a Very Happy Birthday in advance.  :)


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 01:56 PM

I'm invested in Fuji now but it even has me excited.

 

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Posted 21 August 2018 - 02:00 PM

I was at Nikon this morning.....on my own accord, no police escort .... ;)

 

and while waiting in the Lobby to return my NPS borrowed equipment, I noticed the meeting room was FULL of Nikon people (eating pizza and deserts).  Looks like they are getting ready!

 

I also notice a FOOZBALL game in the lobby.  These guys are living LARGE at Nikon! :lol: .... spending all that D850 money!


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:13 AM

So reading the quick spec's here; https://nikonrumors....px/#more-125047

 

It looks like they took a lot of parts from the D850 to make the Z7. Now we know why there is a shortage of D850's around.

 

 

 

 

**** Please note.... this is not an official Nikon press release. Just leaked info. there is still about 12 hours to go as of this post.


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 05:07 PM

So reading the quick spec's here; https://nikonrumors....px/#more-125047

 

It looks like they took a lot of parts from the D850 to make the Z7. Now we know why there is a shortage of D850's around.

 

 

 

 

**** Please note.... this is not an official Nikon press release. Just leaked info. there is still about 12 hours to go as of this post.

Agree and the Z6 might have the D750 sensor. I am disappointed that the Z6 is only 12 fps the Fuji at 24mp is 14 and I thought the Nikon would be like the V3 closer to 18 fps and the Z7 is only 9 but that is at 46mp.

 

Now I hate to say this but it is ugly in my opinion I know its a camera but I do like a nice looking camera like the Df, my Fuji and the D8xx/D500 series. The mount is huge though and that is great for future upgrades almost looks like it could be upgraded in the future to MF. Plus I bet its built like a battleship and is fast like a destroyer, the Z6 seems to be a lower end model less AF point than the Z7 but faster FPS that is curious if the Z6 is the sports type wouldn't you want all those AF points. Either way I bet both have a blazing AF system that will eat Sony's lunch.

 

Arrgh stop Jim the final specs are not out and to be honest for Nikon's first FX Mirror-less the specs are still  awesome as good if not better than Sony's FX offerings and this is who these are aimed at. The V1 was nice, the V2 was ugly and the V3 was excellent to bad they killed it off, so the Z series will only get better and better like the One system.

 

Now pricing so the Z6 should come in at what the same price as the D750 and the Z7 at the D850 or am I wrong and the Z6 will be at the D850 and the D7 at the D5 price range. Price will be critical out the door since you have to build a lens lineup and I assume the flash will be the standard Nikon iTTL which is the best so why change it.

 

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:34 AM

Pricing from B&H

 

https://www.bhphotov...items/view/GRID


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:41 AM

I don't think it is that ugly. But I also don't think this is ground shaking.  A little anti-climactic if you ask me.  Kind of underwhelmed.  The real eye popper for me was the one XQD slot and no Eye detection.

 

Where I thought they were going to kill this category .... hmmmm, don't think we are there yet.

 

But, it does put them in the game and they are two solid products, no doubt about it.

 

Do I want one? Nope.

 

I am impressed with the Z mount.  They could have found a better name for this, but it is what it is.

 

Looks like a long run to a stable of solid lenses, though.  I guess that is just to make sure this line takes off.  The can always speed that up.  The ADAPTER is an awesome thing, all lenses can be put on this and work. Smart!

 

I missed it, is there any magnifier with the adapter?  Have to go look and see.


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 09:42 AM

OK - now that the final specs are out, it looks great.

 

Older lenses can be used with the FTZ adapter.  There will be some limitations on AF because the adapter does not have a screwdrive, but you will pick up VR because it is sensor based.

 

There are some concerns about having just one card slot - and those are valid.  But I suspect with the improved wifi or a cable you could mirror to an external drive in real time.  For primary use, XQD cards - and later CFExpress - are huge cards with very fast write speeds.  Nikon probably needs to present the workarounds.

 

I'm a little surprised at the reports of a small buffer and maximum burst.  We'll have to see the final results.

 

The CIPA battery measurement is just 330 frames, but that's probably with a test that includes video plus constant use of both the LCD and EVF.  You can turn off the LCD and only activate the EVF when shooting for much better battery life.


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 10:48 AM

Some of my thoughts. I stayed up to watch the presentation.

 

I hope, all the talk about "future proof" is not just about the mount. I hope they will add features via firmware.

 

I can see why they went with a larger mount. Now they can make faster lenses without have very large or heavy shells.

 

On the Nikon site, they compare the Z6 to the D750, and Z7 to D850. I wonder if this is the end of the line for this two lines. With the Z continuing on. Not talking about DX, but is there a need to continue the DX line.

 

I expect that there is a D6  pro body coming out, probably for the tokyo olympics. It's interesting to see that the Z line uses single digits, like the pro body line. will the D6 be the last DSLR, like the F6?

 

I wonder why (besides Nikon crazy naming standard) they started with 6, why not Z1 & 2.

 

If I were to go fr this now, I would go with the Z6, 24-70/f4 lens and the FTZ adapter. It would be my carry all system. I could even get into street photography. 24m sensor would be good enough for me, as I have a D850. From my reading, the Z6 is better at low light than the Z7, again good for street/candid shots.

 

Why is Nikon making XQD cards. http://www.nikon-ima...ther/120808053/

 

A tele zoom dot site, looks like it for the P1000, nit, probably could be used for other camera's. https://petapixel.co...photo-tracking/

 

Nikon also announced the NIKKOR 500mm f/5.6E AF-S PF ED VR Lens 


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 12:43 PM

The new Z lens are super expensive almost $600 for a 50 f1.8.

It does seem the Z6 is a D750 and the D7 is a D850 equivalent.

Sorry Art the hump/EVF holder is ugly.

Overall specs are very solid but not game changing except the size of the mount that seems very flexible. One card slot is a miss, Im not surprised on the battery life EVFs and LCD use on mirrorless cameras eat battery life.

Now on to the 500 f5.6 at $3500 why would I buy this over the 200-500 f5.6 both f5.6 at 500. Im not sure its $2300 better than the 200-500. It is interesting though.

Back to the Z it will interesting to see the in-depth reviews on speed, AF, IBIS or Body VR and IQ it could still be a leader with just a few upgrades I future models.

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 01:06 PM

I'm enjoying this chat.

 

I'll leave the specs to you folks.  My general response is that while these are capable products, I'm not sure that post-launch reality has lived up to pre-launch hype.  Some good things and not-so-good things.  Sort of like the real world?  ;)


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 03:55 PM

I've got a theory on why Nikon is making XQD cards.

 

Nikon was faced with having their direct competitor being the only source of XQD cards at the launch of two important new cameras and an entire lineup of lenses.  If Sony decided to discontinue XQD, Nikon was going to be in trouble.  Delkin had not announced and Lexar was going slow.  There are also a lot of legacy cameras - D5, D500, and D850 - that use XQD, and if Sony exits those owners would be very unhappy.  So Nikon decided the cost of being a small XQD manufacturer was pretty easy to remove the risks.  I would not be surprised if we find that Longsys (Lexar's owner) is doing the assembly since they previously assembled Lexar cards.  Nikon has removed a big risk, prevented cards being an issue when they release a new camera, and they can easily transition between XQD and CFExpress when it's appropriate - or stick with XQD for years.

 

I ordered the Z6, 24-70 f/4 kit lens, and the FTZ adapter today.  I have a D850, so my thought process is this gives me a high resolution camera and a lower resolution FX camera.  It also provides a camera body for a lighter kit for me, but more importantly for my wife.  :)   I'll sell a D7200 and a couple of lesser used lenses to offset the costs.  I'm probably going to hold off for a while on additional lenses because I have plenty of prime, telephotos, and macro lenses that will work with the adapter.


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 04:38 PM

Eric on the XQD cards I think you nailed it Nikon is securing its investment. I wonder if Delkin is making them for Nikon?

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 04:49 PM

I am impressed with the Z mount.  They could have found a better name for this, but it is what it is.

 

Art, just think of the Z as an N turned 90 degrees!!!

 

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Posted 24 August 2018 - 09:00 AM

Right on Eric!

 

That was my thought concerning the Z6, a good small kit to take a long. And probably good enough to do some good work in a pinch.

 

Good point on the XQD, didn't think about that.


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Posted 24 August 2018 - 10:07 AM

Congratulations, Eric.  Something to look forward to in November!

 

OK, I am not drunk on the announcement any more so .... here are my thoughts.

 

1) The Z (Zed) Mount is really brilliant. I like the whole concept and design, however, why no earth shattering lens with the announcement? Why not announce an F1.0 with the new line? If you want to make a splash.... you have to jump in the pool from a big height, with your CANNONBALL full monty.  

 

PASS

- on the design

 

FAIL

- on the introduction.  Lenses are too expensive and the whole projection to the future still shows nothing that is earth shaking much less taking advantage of the "Z" in Zuperhero-Camera!

This whole future projection thing ... smacks of uncertainty and conservative, perhaps even gun shy, not invested fully yet.  Stinks of the Nikon 1 launch, when even the Nikon guys turned their noses up.

 

2) Speaking of the Z mount.... why do I want to spend another dime on F mount glass now?  They just made my entire investment obsolete.  Food for thought.

 

FAIL

 

3) One slot XQD?

- Aw Come ON!!  Really.  I am still chewing on this, but this is really stupid.  I don't care how you try to paint his, it is stupid, period.

- you want to steal the Market from SONY?

- You want to push yourself to the top of the heap?

- you squeeze that second slot in.

- ONE SLOT?????????????  The Nikon 1 Idiots must be running this launch.

----> This card better be fast, maybe they know something I don't yet.

 

I am sorry, but the optics on this are completely idiotic.  I can't digest this any other way, as it is currently presented.  Fine, come out with a WiFi, wiz-bang, in your face transfer system ..... OK .... then show me the money.  If I have to guess or speculate as to WHY???? YOU FAIL.

 

FAIL

 

4) No Eye AF detection system???

- not going to waste any words here.

- maybe Face Detect is ground breaking technology.  Haven't seen it, don't know.

 

FAIL

 

5) Small Buffer

- again.... COME ON ... ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!???????

- I suffered through this with the D800, this is absolutely MINDLESS!!! A small buffer SUCKS, period.  PERIOD.  Epic Fail.

- can be offset with some wiz-bang software and fast XQD, maybe something we don't know yet.

 

FAIL

 

6) Why TWO cameras? Why not ONE earth shattering camera like everyone expected???

- they should have come out with THE ONE.

- the mirrorless messiah that parted the oceans.  instead, they come out with two compromises.

 

FAIL

 

7) Design/Visual appeal

 

I like it.  It is an attractive design.  I have not held it yet, but it is pleasant to my taste.

 

PASS

 

8) Over all Specs?

- disappointing.

- the 45.7mp is nice but it is diminished by all the missing things or flaws in the specs they Didn't/Did put in. The lack of buffer in my opinion is a huge mistake, along the lines of the one slot belly flop.

- so, the net result, two disappointing cameras and SONY is still king.  I am sure they are popping Champagne Bottles after seeing this and breathing a collective sigh of relief.

 

FAIL

 

9) There are more FAILS in this examination, I just can't remember all the shortcomings because I lost interest as they piled up.  They are two very disappointing cameras from what I was expecting.  If there is a strategy to coming out of the closet with more fanfare than a Super Bowl, only to field a high school team, I am not getting it.  If I was the President of Nikon, I would fire the entire management team for the Z line.  The negatives in this launch outweigh all of the cool new things.

 

10) Black out between images?

 

What is this?

Since it is negative... FAIL.

 

FAIL

 

What an opportunity thrown into the garbage heap.

 

What I would have done ....

 

Appealed to the PRO!! First and Foremost.

- Brought out ONE glass shattering, category killing camera

- You keep the momentum going with the D750, D500, D850 and P1000.... a GRAND SLAM and firmly regain your title as the King of Camera Design and Manufacture.

- Doesn't matter if it was $500 or $1000 more expensive..... it is the pinnacle. Show you are a serious contender and keep up the industry buzz.  Nope.

 

2 Slots

45.7 mp is fine

new mount

BIG buffer

High FPS rate!  More then the piddly current offered.  My Nikon 1 junker does 60 fps!!!

Proper Software.... OMG... just do it right!!!

Bring out a killer lens with the announcement to show you are INVESTED in this system and SHOW OFF the technology, not promise the world in the future!

 

THEN ..... announce some cheapo cameras for the masses AFTER you have claimed yourself King of the World.

 

All this hype leading up to this and  ..... LUNCH BAG LET DOWN.  If you can't do it right this year, who cares, wait till next year but get it RIGHT!!

 

So, this is how I see it.

 

The announcement presentation was nice, over all, but nothing earth shattering for me.  They are nice cameras, I am sure they will take nice pics. Will I buy one of these?  NO

Am I vaguely considering one in the future because my interest is piqued? NO

Do I have ANY interest in these cameras at all in any way?  NO

 

Sorry.  

 

There is nothing here at $2000+ US hard earned dollars to make me even care.  $4700 plus 13% tax, $2800 + 13% Tax in Canada ..... for this? No Thanks.

 

The lens mount is intriguing... but who cares, there are no intriguing lenses to make me care in any way for years to come.  Its all futures and no SHOW ME THE MONEY NOW.

 

The glass is over priced, in my opinion, see Jim's comment.

 

What I do really like... BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY.  But again, WHO CARES if I am not at all, in any way, interested in the system.  I look at these two cameras the same way I look at Olympus, Panasonic and the like... a nice shiny new toy for someone with cash to spend and no idea what makes for a good camera.

 

Do I think these will sell?

 

Well .... initially, yes, to the die hard Nikon fans.  I am a die hard Nikon fan and find nothing compelling in this launch.  I have the D850 and that is a hard act to follow.  These cameras do not come close.  Well, the PRICE certainly does, but since it is in that price range, I would expect the same performance and feature rich offering.... don't see it here.  So why would I be interested?  

 

Will it have legs going into the future?

- Not these two versions.

 

 

My honest assessment.


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