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#1 Art

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 10:30 PM

Check these two images out.  I am on the fence on them.  I have been told by fellow photographers to START PANNING!

 

OK, I tried it with a 600mm lens!  Yikes, it is hard.  Will bring some other lenses tomorrow to try.

 

What do you think of these, they have any legs as photographs??

 

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 01:40 AM

I personally think they're great, Art!

Perhaps you should try the 500 f/4 which is considerably lighter than the 600. May make your panning-life easier!

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 12:08 PM

Art, for this type of photography, I agree with your colleagues. 

 

Because I have never tried panning, I will simply that, if you are new to this, then it's an excellent first effort.  I've been told that while panning isn't hard to do, it requires considerable practice.  Kudos to you, for expanding your skill set!  :)   


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 02:39 PM

What are the shooting settings?

I like the second one more that the first. In looking over them to figure out why I like#2, I noticed that the focus is off on the first. The second is in the right place, but it seems the DOF is narrow.

In my younger days, I shot hill climbs on film. Took me a bit to get the panning. I doubt I could pan well now without a bunch of practice. One thing I remember is to flow through even if you stopped shooting. That did help. I would expect now, with digital and shooting a D4/5, I would shoot throughout including the follow through.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:19 PM

Art, your subjects are probably in the wrong position for panning. Were you shooting on manual focus? Were you shooting on manual exposure?

For panning, I have found I have to eliminate everything but shutter speed. I prefer panning left to right, so I can see subject coming. I sort of pan from back of subject to front. 

I start at 1/60 on SS and go down from there. This was at 1/20th. I shot 72 photos to get the attached photo. Girl did not know I was shooting her. I found her mom and got permission to publish.

The big deal is have everything ready in your camera and in your head, when you begin. 

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:49 PM

I was told all the rage at the track these days is 1/30s

 

So, I had AUTO ISO, f22 and away I went.  I think ISO automatically dropped to 100.

 

I tried it again today ... nada.  Used a 24-70 and it was a bust.  Bikes moving from right to left.  I had lots of room, couldn't even come close to what you have as a sample, Phil!


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 10:53 PM

Thanks, Herman, Mark, and Dennis.  I tried it again today, I am stubborn that way... nothing even close.  I like the Yellow Motorcycle shot, myself, but I didn't even come near that today with a small lens.  My thinking was, got to a manageable lens and see what happens.  Nothing happened. :lol: My curiosity is now piqued... have to figure this out.


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 12:02 PM

My curiosity is now piqued... have to figure this out.

 

Practice makes perfect.  :)


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 04:41 PM

 

Practice makes perfect.  :)

That is what they tell me ... I need someone to show me ... might speed the process up! :)


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 06:00 PM

I like them Art!!!!!
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 09:30 PM

Find some seaguls and practice on them. That’s how I learned to pan. The suckers are everywhere in my area. Jeff
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Posted 02 September 2019 - 11:21 AM

There are two motions in play here. Showing motion outside the subject. Showing movement in the subject.

Pan to blur the background to show speed depends on how fast the subject is going. If the subject can go from point A to point B (pan range), lets say at 1/1000 of a second. Then you probably can go up to 1/125 and get great results.

I think that folks telling you 1/30 is to get the subject motion, tires spinning. Now you have more issues to consider, camera shake. You can help that by using a tripod, or better yet, monopod. That will help to stabilize the camera while following the subject.

Patrice the first one, as that can be hand held. Once you get the idea of panning to show speed/background blur. You can start to lower the shutter speed to get the tire blur.

Keep it simple and youll get there. You can practice shooting freeway traffic to get the pan down.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 01:00 AM

On the merry-go-round, I practiced a long time on getting the pan the same speed as the ride. THEN I began shooting the 72 frames. I think 1/125 is too fast...Dennis. 8-)


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 05:40 AM

If I'm not mistaken 1/80s is a great setting for this type of panning.
 
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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:34 AM

On the merry-go-round, I practiced a long time on getting the pan the same speed as the ride. THEN I began shooting the 72 frames. I think 1/125 is too fast...Dennis. 8-)

 

My point was, subject speed determines how high a shutter speed can go. In the example, the subject can cover a pan range in 1/1000 of a second. 1/125 would be a great shutter while still being hand held. It would not blur the tires, but that was the second part. A fast race car, motorcycle going 200 mph is going to hit that pan range pretty quickly. After some practice, you will blur the background at 1/125. If you want more or less background blur, you adjust the shutter speed.

It's easier to brake down the process in parts. The hard part to learn is the pan motion. For your merry go round, that is a different speed for the subject. For this example, I shot it at 1/10 of a second, but I didn't pan. I wanted the gal in the upper part to be clear, which was going around slower than where the guy was pushing the spinner thing. I know I said I'm out of practice. If I had to shoot racing, that is how I would start. Get the pan and background blur to the point that I liked, and worry about the tire blur later.

 

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 10:17 AM

Art

 

You may of read or heard these already, but a few recommendations and suggestions on panning technique.

  • Hold your upper body still/rigid, tuck your elbows in and rotate at your hips.
  • Start tracking the subject before releasing the shutter and continue after the shutter has closed.  This helps avoid any jerks in the camera motion while the shutter is open.
  • The shutter speed should be one that gives the desired amount of blur in the background.    The "best" shutter speed would be higher for bikes at max speed at the end of a straightaway that at the apex of a tight corner.
  • Ideally the subject would be moving perpendicular to your line of sight at the middle of the pan.  If the subject is coming toward you or going away from you, you could get blurring of your subject due to focus distance changing during the exposure.
  • Focus on the most important part of the subject.  In your case this would probably be the head of the cyclist.  I think I would use an AF continuous mode, starting the panning enough before shutter release to allow the focus tracking to lock in.  Manual focus set from previous cyclists may work as well.

As previously suggested 600mm may difficult to handle.  Most of my panning experience is many years back shooting sports cars on slide film with a 300/4 MF.


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Posted 04 September 2019 - 03:43 PM

OK, these are all good tips.

Thanks for all the feedback.

 

I may get one more kick at the can on this on Sept 22.  I have been invited by a Motorcycle Association to visit their track on the last day.  Was even offered a ride around the track, weather permitting at the end of the day! BOOOYA!

 

Because this is a smaller track, I may be able to use a much smaller, lighter lens that would allow me to try some of the things suggested here.  I will keep you posted on any new developments on this. In the meantime, I may try panning on simple things like Seagulls as Jeff suggested just to get some practice in.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:46 AM

Gary, YES...those are right on the money.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 04:54 AM

Absolutely awesome, Art!!
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 01:30 PM

Thanks, Don.


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