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#1 Leaviathan

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:23 PM

I've been having these Adorama ads on Facebook recently, today it was a Canon 80D they were flashing around for $999, 24 MP and around 25,600 ISO. I then look at the Pentax K70 $594 for 24 MP and 102,400 ISO, and the Pentax KP for $796 at 24 MP and an ISO of 819,200. Even the Nikon top of the line DSLR's listed didn't come close. My question is why do the Pentax have such high light sensitivity, yet so unpopular?


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:31 PM

The continuous FPS of the Pentax is also superior to any Canon or Nikon in the same price range as well. Only the D500 and 1DS are faster than the Pentax KP


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 04:00 PM

...My question is why do the Pentax have such high light sensitivity, yet so unpopular?

 

Marketing.

 

Kodak spent most of their operating budget on advertising to make everyone think Kodak film was best.  It wasn't.


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Posted 31 December 2018 - 04:17 PM

Pentax has some good cameras its just they are not updated very often and have a very small market share.

As far as ISO you can spec any camera with high iso but is it usabl.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 05:52 PM

You would think the continuous FPS qualities of some Pentax models would make them affordable sports cameras.


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Posted 01 January 2019 - 10:04 AM

I've been having these Adorama ads on Facebook recently, today it was a Canon 80D they were flashing around for $999, 24 MP and around 25,600 ISO. I then look at the Pentax K70 $594 for 24 MP and 102,400 ISO, and the Pentax KP for $796 at 24 MP and an ISO of 819,200. Even the Nikon top of the line DSLR's listed didn't come close. My question is why do the Pentax have such high light sensitivity, yet so unpopular?

 
 
I used Pentax longer than I have been using Nikon, albeit, with film.  Asahi Pentax made an excellent product.  From my personal experience, they seemed to disappear from the "Marketing" scene many years ago and lost prominence and brand awareness.  From my perspective, they lost their mojo with me when they merged with Hoya and later sold to Ricoh, a company to me that has no luster.  Being in the computer industry, any product I came across from Ricoh was "inexpensive" and lacked "wow" factor.  Again, these are my personal observations.  Take them for what they are worth.

I remember the Asahi brand being strong and well respected.  Their K series cameras seem reasonable at the low end but over all, the specs (in my books) are unimpressive, especially when you get to their top end cameras and their offerings are limited.  The overall impression of the company, and again, just take this with a grain of salt, is they are a fringe player in the market.
 
I have only ever seen one photographer in all of my journeys using a Pentax and that was years ago. I honestly can't tell you the last time I saw someone using one.
 
At the top end, at 36MP, they have been smoked by most of the top brand players. Their frame rate does not make them attractive for most if not all sports or action photographers.  ISO at the low end, isn't horribly impressive.  So, who exactly is their target audience and, any savvy sales person in a camera shop will most likely push the top 3 if someone goes in shopping and not knowing what to buy.  The safe bet and future growth path for body and gear isn't putting your money on Pentax.
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Posted 02 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

They used to have a pretty good name, the K-1000 was very popular, I had an MV-1 35mm myself and liked it. They probably shouldn't have sold out to Ricoh. Their 645Z is still impressive as a 51 MP medium format camera, but I wouldn't spend that kind of money on it.


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 01:35 PM

I have only ever seen one photographer in all of my journeys using a Pentax and that was years ago. I honestly can't tell you the last time I saw someone using one.

 

Art, believe it or not, our camera club has one member using a Pentax.  He doesn't have any company.

 

As you and Lee suggest, they used to have an outstanding reputation.  Not anymore.  :(


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Posted 03 January 2019 - 03:33 PM

It’s unfortunate because I remember them as a serious camera brand for serious amateur photographers. They also had an impressive lens selection in my day. It was a very well respected brand.

Their current line up is convoluted and has an extremely dated and unappealing look. Their website is Ricoh, not Pentax...
and, this is part of the problem. This company, in my books, lost its identity and its loyal followers.
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Posted 04 January 2019 - 01:40 PM

It’s unfortunate because I remember them as a serious camera brand for serious amateur photographers. They also had an impressive lens selection in my day. It was a very well respected brand.

Their current line up is convoluted and has an extremely dated and unappealing look. Their website is Ricoh, not Pentax...
and, this is part of the problem. This company, in my books, lost its identity and its loyal followers.

 

Apart from the fact that you have just seriously dated both of us, you are 100% correct.  :)


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 01:49 PM

Consider me as an old fogie as well.  I started out with a K1000, then MX, then ME Super.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 02:56 PM

 

Apart from the fact that you have just seriously dated both of us, you are 100% correct.   :)

Hmmm... should I mention that in my earlier photography days I was lusting after a Pentax Spotmatic.( as an upgrade from my Braun Gloriette).. the latest and greatest of the time, my uncle happened to hold the Pentax agency for NZ, but unfortunately as my 21st birthday approached there was no 'mates rate' offer so my dad, at my suggestion, got me the next best thing at the time... an Exacta.. :) . A few years later I spotted a secondhand F in a camera shop window :rolleyes: :).....


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:29 PM

Sorry, Mark ... :lol:

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:35 PM

My dad had a ME Super it was a fantastic camera. Funny part I used it most of the time.

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Posted 04 January 2019 - 07:44 PM

I still have a bunch of K Mount lenses with nothing to put them on. I may get a used outdated Pentax digital to have fun with.


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Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:16 PM

I still have a bunch of K Mount lenses with nothing to put them on. I may get a used outdated Pentax digital to have fun with.

 

 

Nah. Just find some good used K or M bodies and some film.  Much more satisfying.


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 07:54 AM

An article in Australian Camera magazine claims the K-1 II is the best DSLR in it's class. 


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 02:00 PM

An article in Australian Camera magazine claims the K-1 II is the best DSLR in it's class. 

 

DP Review gave it a mixed review.  I just about choked my coffee when I saw that one Canadian camera retailer is selling it for $2,500 CDN.  <_<


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 02:41 PM

 

DP Review gave it a mixed review.  I just about choked my coffee when I saw that one Canadian camera retailer is selling it for $2,500 CDN.  <_<

They're not cheap, but not D850 price either. They fall short of comparing it with the 850 and Sony A7 III because of the price


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