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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:49 AM

I'm not going to sell my D810, but I have to say that I'm impressed:

 

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:43 PM

I saw this, it is impressive. 

 

I am not sure how DSO ratings totally work, but it does certainly seem like Nikon nailed it, AGAIN!

 

It is nice to know this camera is just as exciting as the D800 was years ago.  Lets hope Nikon can maintain this momentum over the next year with their new releases.

 

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 03:07 PM

Wow....


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 12:34 AM

Very impressive.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 02:21 AM

Its really impressive that Nikon has managed to keep the DR and ISO performance the same as the D810 while dealing with all the extra pixels - but - just think how much better it could have been with the same pixels but all that added tinkering. 


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:08 AM

Just waiting for the first refurbs to appear. Looking at some time next year. 



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:55 AM

Charles -- Yep I'm thinking the same way.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 12:39 PM

Its really impressive that Nikon has managed to keep the DR and ISO performance the same as the D810 while dealing with all the extra pixels - but - just think how much better it could have been with the same pixels but all that added tinkering. 

 

That very same thought crossed my mind, BP.  However, in their defence, everyone would have criticized them, for not keeping pace with C@non and Sony in the MP wars.  :)


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 12:45 PM

 

That very same thought crossed my mind, BP.  However, in their defence, everyone would have criticized them, for not keeping pace with C@non and Sony in the MP wars.  :)

 

Depressing isn' it

 

I would far rather have a major gain in DR and colour consistency and noise control than a few extra pixels...particularly when the D810 is hardly lacking in them to start with. 

 

Can you imagine a 30mp FF sensor with 16 plus stops of DR  :blink:


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 06:35 PM

BP -- my thinking exactly. Peter Hurley did a video for B&H called "Speedlight Action" and was talking about the craze for super-high pixel-count cameras. His words were, "A lot of people just use the shots on the web. They're using them on the web! What are we doing??!!
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 07:04 PM

Yeah, but Peter has several phase 1, 100 meg MF sensors.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 06:19 AM

True but his point is still valid -- what good are those 100MP sensors for a 2x3" photo on the web or even an 8x10" print? If the big sensor also gives you better color and DR, then there's an advantage, but more pixels don't guarantee that, and there's where his argument lines up with BP's.

Plus it looks like Hurley is migrating from MF to a Canon 5DS R. In the video, he uses an 18MP Rebel and gets shots he can use commmercially. From what he says, it looks like the experience of making that video changed his perspective on pixel density and it's importance.

You can pretty much cover the broad side of a barn with a 36MP image and it'll look great. For that matter you could use a 24mp image and, from the road, most people wouldn't notice the difference. Give me a camera with a 30MP sensor, DR that puts print film to shame, and a grain free image at ISO 200,000, with the same picture taking conveniences as the D850, and I'm all over it.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 04:58 AM

I'm not sure that maximum dynamic range is a critical goal.  It's an area for future improvement, but more likely with in camera multiple images like the Multi Exposure function or Long Exposure Noise Reduction.  We're near theoretical limits for noise so there won't be improvement s there.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that dynamic range is maximized at base ISO.  You sacrifice almost a full stop of dynamic range for every stop you raise ISO.  It doesn't do much good to talk about dynamic range when you are raising ISO.  

 

The color of the D850 is terrific.  I don't need anything more - and it's probably beyond the human eye's ability to see any more color.


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