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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:53 PM

The latest update is good. And Thom Hogan posted some stuff about it today as well. Apparently, according to him, there are still several surprises that no one has speculated on or reasoned out. I'll be curious. What I would love, I think, is an updated D500. One that gets updated with the D850 type goodies.

I firmly believe this will be a revolutionary camera and I also believe it will be very close to $4000 with means its completely out of my range. Actually Nikon has slowly been pricing me out over the last few years.

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:43 PM

Nikon has to raise the prices to keep profits up with the market collapse. Thankfully its a discretionary expense for me but it causes me pause as I make no money from it, only memories. I probably wont end up with a D850 but I'm still interested. Although the D500 may still be in my future. For today it is my XT2 and D5300.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:57 PM

  Thom Hogan implies that he may know more about the 850 than he is telling ?  Or maybe he is just very perceptive??

Right now My biggest question is price. I would guess $3800~4000. If it jumps the 4k mark I don't think they will have nearly as many takers. 



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:57 PM

I have a Fuji X100s and XM1 love them! Saving for some more glass then I really want an Xpro2. Here's the rub Fuji's top of the line costs less than my D600 did and less than a D500(I love the specs on the D500 to be honest it is revolutionary). The D850 might be closer to the price of Fuji's MF GFX.

Alas they are different targets though for me general photography and the occasional wedding the Fuji is great. For Art who does a lot of wildlife the Fuji at its current level is not up to the Nikon level of reach in glass and speed.

Now I found my Olympus was also great but I fell in love with Fuji after I picked up an X100s since the DL line died. Big mistake caused me to ship off my Olympus gear to move to Fuji. Then I got a brand new not used but brand new XM1 with the kit lens for $249 from Roberts and now I'm hooked if their cheapest lens and Xtrans body is giving me sharper and better colors than my FX gear I'm just hooked!

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 07:19 AM

Thom Hogan implies that he may know more about the 850 than he is telling ?  Or maybe he is just very perceptive??
Right now My biggest question is price. I would guess $3800~4000. If it jumps the 4k mark I don't think they will have nearly as many takers. 

My guess is that it is both for him. He has plenty of contacts, as you would imagine. He also has decades of studying the industry and NIkon in particular. So even his guesses will likely be closer than other people's guesses. He has stated many times that he is not under any NDA from Nikon but he respects the NDA of his sources so they won't get in trouble.

I think Thom usually tells us stuff in a back-end manner. He will talk about what features a camera is lacking and what features would be good to add in a future iteration. Typically the answer usually lies within that realm. So like the switch above the diopter on the D850... he says it is something people haven't guessed yet and he said there are some great surprises left so I suspect it will be something really nice but not fundamental like an EVF would be. Probably has something to do with flash, wifi, or similar.

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:50 AM

  Thom Hogan implies that he may know more about the 850 than he is telling ?  Or maybe he is just very perceptive??

Right now My biggest question is price. I would guess $3800~4000. If it jumps the 4k mark I don't think they will have nearly as many takers. 

 

Nikon Rumours speculation worked out to about $4,600 CDN.  It would have to be a REALLY good camera at that price.

 

Just read Hogan.  Based on reading his previous articles, I would guess that he has some good sources, and is also very perceptive.   I have his site bookmarked, so I'll plead guilty to having a lot of respect for him.   :)


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 10:51 AM

Well, we don't have to take my word on what Thom Hogan says.  Here's the link to his latest:

 

http://www.dslrbodie...ent-announ.html


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 06:29 PM

Well, we don't have to take my word on what Thom Hogan says.  Here's the link to his latest:

 

http://www.dslrbodie...ent-announ.html

$4000 USD that is the price of most peoples first car. :(

 

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 11:37 AM

$4000 USD that is the price of most peoples first car. :(

 

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Jim, I was going to come back with a smart a** comment, but realized that I would be seriously dating myself.  Besides, in 2017 dollars, my first car probably would have been $4,000.  :rolleyes:


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:47 PM

Read the part that says, "Nikon isn’t growing in sales or gaining market share."

 

They have a real opportunity with the D850 to grow some market share, based on price. 

 

I am sure, the manufacturing costs go down, with more cameras made.  I hope they decide on a sweet spot that keeps the camera in reach of more people, and not less.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 11:58 PM

Read the part that says, "Nikon isn’t growing in sales or gaining market share."

 

They have a real opportunity with the D850 to grow some market share, based on price. 

 

I am sure, the manufacturing costs go down, with more cameras made.  I hope they decide on a sweet spot that keeps the camera in reach of more people, and not less.

Thats what confuses me when the D700 came out it was in that sweet spot and sold like crazy, the D800 was a bit above the sweet spot but still close enough to sell plus it like the D700 was revolutionary. But we see when Nikon goes above that sweet spot sales slow down, I just don't get it and maybe I am wrong but they seem to be happy selling a few at high prices vs a ton at lower prices and the more you sell the more people come into your brand and the more they spend on flashes, lens etc.

 

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 06:58 AM

I'll say it again .. SONY is the one they are competing with. If they go too far above what the new Sony is selling for it will drive even more sheep over the fence.

Not to mention I'm sure Canon is waiting and drooling so they can 1 up Nikon....If they are smart?


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 08:01 AM

Sony has been driving up their prices as well. Each iteration of the A7 series has increased the price accordingly. So it's not unexpected that Nikon will also increase the D850 starting price a bit. Of course comparing the D850 price to a 3 year old D810 is a bit unfair as it should be intro price to intro price.

The D700 sold very well but it must have eaten into the sales of the D3/D3s enough for Nikon to have feared the loss of profit margin and average selling price. But they are more desperate now so maybe they'll find a way around it. Nikon can't afford to abandon lower priced cameras, though. There simply aren't enough buyers at the $2000 and above range.

However, I think Nikon could really stand to streamline their models and start adopting some of the tricks of their competitors. However you define it, Fuji has people loyal due to the firmware updates. Nikon could easily do more of that and generate positive feedback among their customers. Mirrorless is obviously another tactic. But after a year with the X-T2 I can say that the last bastion for DSLRs will be people who want great focus abilities at telephoto ranges.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 01:02 PM

Nikon seems determined, to stoke that rumour mill:

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-114493


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:02 AM

More stuff just got leaked and is on NikonRumors. Focus stacking is a nice unexpected surprise. 7 fps and 9 with grip. Other stuff. Check it out.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:00 AM

More stuff just got leaked and is on NikonRumors. Focus stacking is a nice unexpected surprise. 7 fps and 9 with grip. Other stuff. Check it out.

 

Thanks for the heads up.  Nikon is REALLY stoking that rumour mill.  :)


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:44 PM

More info on features, has focus stacking.

 

https://nikonrumors....50-slides.aspx/

 

 

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:56 AM

More info on features, has focus stacking.

 

https://nikonrumors....50-slides.aspx/

 

 

Art, is that second mortgage ready?   :D  B)

 

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 01:03 AM

Specs.... as they are rumored... They had me at D850!  :lol:

 

• 45.75M pixels.  

• 9 fps no doubt, with the purchase of a grip and outrageously priced new battery!!

 

• 3.2" variangle 2.359M pixel touch LCD screen
 

• 8K timelapse
• 4K movie
• ISO 64-25600
• 3.2" 2.36M vari-angle touch screen
• 153 AF system
• 45M quiet shooting mode
• 0.75x OVF magnification
• 180,000 RGB sensor

 

• OVF 0.75x is the largest magnification rate for all existing DSLR in history

 

• Using famous D5 153 AF system
- 130% frame coverage when compared with D810
- incorporated with AF engine
- center 1 point -4EV AF, all other points -3EV

 

 

This blows me away and its about time!!!  STACKING

 

Focus adjusting system could offer you deeply stacked* picture
* require software from other companies
- Camera will continuously take the nearest focus to infinite focus
- Max nomber of photos: 300 photos
- Focus distance interval could be customized (10 steps)
- Shutter release could be customized (0 to 30 sec)
- Continuous shooting around 5 fps
- Suitable for shooting jewelry,  specimen and landscape

 

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:33 AM

The latest rumor (translated slides) suggests there are some really nice enhancements in the D850.  

 
As Art suggests, one of the most interesting to me is the support for focus stacking. It appears the camera will have the capability of generating a large stack of images with small focus adjustments on an automated basis - similar to bracketing. The amount of adjustment and number of images are set by the photographer.  
 
The small focus point for macro and some close focus work is another feature that sounds interesting. The AF sensor would be about half the size of a normal AF sensor allowing a lot more precision for Live View focus with automation support.
 
Quiet Mode has a couple of nice enhancements. It appears to be completely silent - not just reducing the mirror sound. That makes it suitable for golf or wedding ceremonies where sound must be avoided.  I can't wait to use it for golf.
 
The description is not very clear, but it appears Quiet also supports a very high frame rate using technology similar that used in the Nikon 1. Smaller 8 MP images can be captured at up to 30 fps in DX mode with focus and exposure not changing. That's a great feature for situations where you need a precise image and can sacrifice file size. I've tried this with the V1 and it works very well.  
 
The video features continue to advance with more support for 4k Movie and 8k Time lapse video. I suspect there is more coming with video.
 
I like the new WB option - Natural Light AWB. I normally use Daylight because the Auto WB options are not good for outdoor lighting, but the new setting has merit. 
 
The rumored image size of 45 MP is a nice step up. This implies lower noise at all ISO levels by 1/3-1/2 stop. The technology is better, but the larger file is downsized to a common output and that alone will reduce noise.
 
The frame rate of 8 or 9 fps is a very nice step up for a high resolution camera. I don't see many cases where I really need a fast frame rate, but it's nice to have in reserve. I wonder if I could program a function button to change the frame rate to the fastest rate on the fly without accessing the menu. Imagine tracking a bird into a nest, and as it is landing moving from 3-4 fps to 8-9 fps.
 
I'm very pleased with the XQD and SD UHS-ii card combination on the D500 so having it on the D850 will mean both my cameras are using the same cards.  It also provides some flexibility as SD cards can be readily bought or shared.
 
In any event - I'm planning to get this camera as soon as possible.
 
I'm sure there are more features that will appeal to others.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:23 PM

Interesting to see so much enthusiasm and potential interest in purchasing.  I just hope that the final product lives up to expectations.  Of course, any PN member who buys a D850 understands that we all expect to see images?  Just checking!  B)

 

I'm going to restrain my enthusiasm for 3 reasons:

  1. Angela is a very good sport about my toy purchases, but there is a limit to everything.  Buying a D850 anytime soon would significantly reduce my life expectancy!  :lol:  :lol:
  2. The D810 is my faithful camera pal.  2 years after buying it, I'm still making delightful discoveries.  However, if I had a D800, I'd probably be as enthusiastic as Art.
  3. I didn't say I wasn't buying ANY toys.  I expect to acquire some new glass, filters and lighting before the end of the year.  ;)

Meanwhile, keep showing your enthusiasm.  After so many negative Nikon headlines, it is really nice to see enthusiasm about a new product.  :)


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 01:02 PM

These days, I find that it always pays to check Nikon Rumours and Thom Hogan, before leaving PN, for the day. 

 

https://nikonrumors....px/#more-114705

 

Pay attention to the 4th item, from the bottom of his list.  It has a hyperlink.  :)


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:33 PM

Yeah, the potential announcement next week would make for a nice birthday present for me. I'm still not certain if I'll get it, though it's tempting. It's far beyond what I probably need. The D500 will likely be my next choice. Although I really, really wish a D500s would come out. Although I'm thinking I can wait until the next Nikon deals to buy a D500. I wouldn't mind a free grip...



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 05:13 PM

If the price is right.... TAKE ME MONEY!!!

 

OmG!

 

Great specs leaking out.

 

This is another ground shaking, industry changing camera and it is about bloody time. 

 

The Canon guys in the forum are all crying in their soup, you would swear it was a NIKON forum, of late.  IT IS TOO FUNNY!!!!

 

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:51 PM

I said it was going to be revolutionary but the price is going to be high.

Add a grip to take advantage of the 9fps I bet will add 300-450$.

But the specs are truly amazing if you can afford close to $5000 with the grip and battery you will have what I consider the gold standard.

Come on lottery, I am slowly moving to Fuji due to how much I enjoy the Fuji system and the cost for their top gear is in my price range, but if I won the lottery I would have 3 system! Fuji X mount, Fuji GFX and a Nikon D850 alas that most likely will not happen.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:19 PM

I have been there and done that with Fuji. I like it but in the end it just doesn't fit my style of shooting - especially the telephoto stuff I enjoy most.

I dream of a D850 and could afford it but I just doubt I'd get much out of it to justify the cost. So probably will enjoy it from afar.

If I got the lottery I'd probably get the D500 and D850 and most of the big lenses. :)




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