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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:31 PM

I know the D3 and D4 have much better ISO performance in low light situations, but I got to thinking. I'm speculating a lot here, but can't help but think that a big chunk of the advantage in low light is also due to the increased color depth capabilities that the D3 and D4 have.

With that on the table do any of you have anything that you've found? I'm curious as to if some actual users here think I'm close ooor way off the mark in what I just said.
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Posted 21 July 2014 - 02:40 PM

I'm not so sure it is color depth responsible for low light performance. I think it is the other way round.

The Df and the D4 share the same sensor and are both EXPEED 3. If you can believe the test, the Df has better noise control over ISO 6400 over the D4. Both have EXPEED 3 and same sensor , but a tweak was done for the Df, so software is the difference.

The D4 and D4s have the same CMOS sensor, but the D4s has EXPEED 4. The D4s is also 1 stop better in low light. Again, the real difference is software and not sensor.

The new D810 has a new sensor and is using EXPEED 4 over the D800/800e. And it also has 1 stop better in low light. At least, we will see when the real world testing comes into play.

Between the D4s and the D810, the only common changes is EXPEED 4, as both came away with 1 stop better light performance.

I am open to being corrected, but I think the speed enhancements are from software more than the sensor itself. I think color depth improves with the software changes associated with evaluating sensor speed (ISO). Between the Df and D4, that is the only thing different between them in this regard. I maybe off, but that is how I see these differences.


PS: I have a D4, and I have focused and got some pretty good shots in pretty low light. It has focused and metered on a subject I couldn't see in the view finder.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 05:54 PM

"I'm not so sure it is color depth responsible for low light performance. I think it is the other way round."

 

Dennis, I might of not been clear enough. I'm not saying the CD is the major player in low light ISO performance, but I do believe that all those shades help define how that low light image is developed into a frame worth using from say a D3 or D4 as opposed to something more grainy from a D2X or a D2Xs body.

"The Df and the D4 share the same sensor and are both EXPEED 3. If you can believe the test, the Df has better noise control over ISO 6400 over the D4. Both have EXPEED 3 and same sensor , but a tweak was done for the Df, so software is the difference."

 

Aah ok!!

"The D4 and D4s have the same CMOS sensor, but the D4s has EXPEED 4. The D4s is also 1 stop better in low light. Again, the real difference is software and not sensor."

 

This is good to know



"PS: I have a D4, and I have focused and got some pretty good shots in pretty low light. It has focused and metered on a subject I couldn't see in the view finder."

 

Yeah I noticed that you had posted about the one you own a while back. How far away was subject plane?

 

Also thanks for the info!!


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 07:32 PM

The Df clocks data out of the sensor at a slower rate than does the D4- this has been attributed to the lower noise figure. Faster clocks generate more noise. 

 

A lot of work has gone into improving the noise of CMOS sensors in the last 10 years.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:33 PM

Forget the D2 series for low light. I ran a little test a few years back, and my D1x actually does a better job above ISO 400 than the D2x. And the D1x is pretty noisy above 400.

Double check me on this but from what I understand, the D3s is a lot better in low light than the D3.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:34 AM

Forget the D2 series for low light.

Hi justshootit,

I have posted a couple of lowlight shots from one of my D2Xs bodies done in a gymnasium that had no windows. They are probably far from D3/D4 image quality, but have certainly been surprised by how the captures had turned out wity no flash unit being used.

Yeah the group shot is crooked. I was in a hurry...lol

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:18 AM

"I'm not so sure it is color depth responsible for low light performance. I think it is the other way round."
 
Dennis, I might of not been clear enough. I'm not saying the CD is the major player in low light ISO performance, but I do believe that all those shades help define how that low light image is developed into a frame worth using from say a D3 or D4 as opposed to something more grainy from a D2X or a D2Xs body.


I think that the CD benefits from larger micro lenses. I'm at the office, so I can't show a sample. However, I have shot at 12,800 with the D4, and it comes out really well. I did another shot at 12,800 with a +1 exposure comp and got better color and less noise. I was wondering if I could do the same with the D200, but haven't had the motivation to try yet.

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This is was taken at 12,800, but when I did the +1, it did not work out. But, -1/3 and it reduced the noise and gave me better color. The colors still showed the type of light I was shooting in, but noise levels was very little. I left the color for this one as it was, but I can warm it up and not lose any color depth.

I really believe that the D4 could have had a firmware upgrade and get the tweaks made to the Df, and get a bunch of the same functionality in the D4s, but then Nikon won't make money keeping the high end upgraded. Why would Nikon want to be nice and help the folks that spent $6k on a camera body any who?

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:59 PM

D700 ISO 25,500

 

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:29 PM

That's the difference - with the D2x you can get away with ISO-1600.  With the D610 and it's ilk you can get away with ISO-16,000.  Big difference.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:48 PM

One thing I discovered- "Lossless compressed NEF" is "visually lossless"..., it uses a fixed look-up table for the compression coefficients, does not record all of the levels.  Once you start pulling details and playing with curves, having uncompressed files gives you back the full image recorded by the sensor. 


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 02:33 PM

My experience began with D1, then D2x, skipped D3, D700 and 7000, now D4. I was surprised of the gap between the D2x and the D700/D7000. You can get decent images in much lower light. Cameras in the D4, D800, and Df family will probably exceed your color requirements.


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 07:05 AM

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 08:15 AM

Sensors have come a long way. My D700 is good but my D605 is even better at 24mp vs 12mp. Now my tiny V1 at ISO 6400(H1) is usable and it is a one inch CMOS Aptina sensor so imagine how the D4s is at ISO 6400 probably like shooting ISO 200 back in the day.

 

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 01:44 PM

I see Gettysburg hasn't changed much over the years... is that Robert E Lee in the first picture! :P

 

[sorry, off topic, but I couldn't resist... and ... I really like Gettysburg, haven't been in years, love to go back]

nope he's a civilian, half period and half modern dress which works for him and several other people I know in town.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:18 AM

Colour depth is - in my books - just a consequence of the improved Expeed processing but has no relation to AF Performance.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 08:43 AM

One thing I discovered- "Lossless compressed NEF" is "visually lossless"..., it uses a fixed look-up table for the compression coefficients, does not record all of the levels.  Once you start pulling details and playing with curves, having uncompressed files gives you back the full image recorded by the sensor. 

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I think you are describing "Compressed" NEF.  I believe "Lossless compressed" is truely loseless; when it's uncompressed you get exactly the uncompressed file back.  Losseless compressed is similar to a ZIP file frequently used with computers to reduce file size.  When you unzip a ZIP file, you get back exactly what you zipped up.


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Posted 05 August 2014 - 11:01 AM

Well... back to color depth, first it would depend on what bit you set. While, anything can be changed in raw, something's are in stone at capture. If you shoot 8 bit (JPG), your not going to get what a 12 bit file can get. And the same with 14 bit. If you limit the sensor to 12 bit, where, you limit color depth. So, you would need to shoot at 14bit if you want the full color depth.

I also believe software plays in this. As I pointed out, Nikon has done some tweaking and is able to interpret and "correct" sensor information, which includes noise. The EXP3 VS EXP4. As we know, the Df has some other type of software change, or change in hardware to gain over the D4 using the same components.

Now lossless VS uncompressed. Well, I don't know as there is all sorts of misinformation floating around the net. We know straight compression will lose data. Nikon say, as Gary pointed out, that lossless is reversible, like a zip file. Now, here would be the question here. I have shot both lossless and uncompressed and the only difference I see is the file size on my computer; 19mg/39mg respectively.

Now, can one see the difference? I don't think so, not visually anyway. Given that; one shoots raw at 14 bit, uses the largest color space at capture, then processes it.

Does adobe have that algorithm from Nikon? In playing with CNX-D, I got better results from LR, even in the new D810. So, I would have to think the adobe has that algorithm.

A monitor can't display that information. Isn't that one reason that HDR is now a process, forget that it can be pushed into the unreal. HDR is a means to compress contrasts details that normally can't be seen, on a monitor or in a print.

Even with the advances with printers, it still can reproduce 14bit of data.

Things are truly better, but, it maybe a long time before we can see all the colors of the wind.

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:22 PM

https://home.comcast...Compression.htm

 

I found an explanation on-line that described Nikon's Compressed-NEF scheme. "Visually Lossless", but it looks like the 16384 possible RAW values are represented using 3073 values. On some cameras, I've found that some SD cards are better than others for introducing system noise. 


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Posted 06 August 2014 - 10:31 PM

From my own experience with a D1x, a D2hs, a D2x and a D3, I prefer the look of the D1x files, from the point of most film like reproduction, up to around 1600, past that the only image really worth anything quickly becomes the D3, by a long shot. At base ISO, my Kodak SLR/n still is top of the heap. So much so that for 99% of my product work it's still the first choice! quirks and all. For straight out of the camera jugs, the Fuji S2 and S5 steal the show. No one best at everything that I've found yet.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 01:21 AM

The D1x is definitely an underrated camera. I've gotten great results with it at 3200.

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Digital: D610 backed up by a D1x.  Quoted from an unknown source by a fellow planeteer, "Never get rid of a working D1x." I've got to agree.

Film: N90s, F3, F100, F4s, C330s. A few lenses.

Why film photography? I like shooting with the equipment. 6x6 Velvia slides from a C330 have an appeal all their own.

Why automated 35mm/Digital cameras? Event photography is about capturing moments. It often requires quick response. Well done automaton can be your friend or your enemy. It all depends on knowing what it can and can't do. "A man's got to know his (camera's) limitations." paraphrasing Dirty Harry...




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