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#1 Blanco

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 01:53 PM

After reading all the hype surrounding the D500 I have had the itch to get one since they came out. Well I finally found a nice used one that fit my budget and it came with plenty of extras.

Most of you that will respond to this know that I shoot a lot of aircraft. After several days of bad weather I was finally able to get out and give it a good workout. As part of my workflow I will adjust lighting and crop and straighten most of my photos, and did this with my first shots with the D500. My assumption was that with the smaller sensor I would fill it more efficiently and need less cropping, which was true.

Now comes the rub ...I would assume with a higher pixel count in the usable frame, compared to my D750, that I would have a bit more resolution  once all the cropping was done.

Surprise ... My good Ol D750 actually produces slightly better pictures when cropped. My assumption has been smashed. The D500 is a fantastic camera in all respects but my D750 is still very capable of holding its own.

Now I will have to wait for the D850 to step up my game.



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 02:15 PM

What is better about the pictures? Color? Details?

 

The DX sensor will have smaller photosites than the FX. Which means you have to have better technique.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 03:03 PM

I would think the D500 being more suited for aviation photography due to the advanced focusing system and speed.

 

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 04:21 PM

I was on the fence for over a month and bought the D750...  not at all sorry.  I do have a D7100 for DX opportunities.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 04:34 PM

The D500 is the envy of the industry in its class.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 05:04 PM

Most people would never notice the difference, However, being the detail oriented obsessionist that I am, I detect a bit more grain in the D500 Pictures. The D750 pictures cropped to the same level do not show as much grain. 


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:58 PM

Are you sure you didn't under expose? Did you do a side by side test?

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:24 PM

Ditto Dennis' remarks. I'd shoot them side by side with the settings you're going to use on location -- stationary subject with the same lens, same ISO, same aperture and shutter speed, and the same everything else, with the D750 in DX mode. The D750 is 10MP when shooting DX whereas the D500 is 20MP, so as Dennis said, the photosites on the D750 are larger and will likely give less noise.

But the important question is, "what is the final output going to be and how does each camera stack up in that output." If you're putting 800x550 pixel shots on a website and then selling up to 20" x 30" prints, how does each camera do with those web pics and prints? This is the answer you need to make the decision. It's amazing how the differences in cameras can nearly vanish when printing or putting shots on a website.

For instance, my D1x is pretty noisy when shot at ISO 3200, but when viewed at 800x522 pixels, the shots look great if they're well exposed. I got into a brief email conversation with Thom Hogan once and he mentioned that Sports Illustrated used to do 11x17" truck folds with ~3MP D1h bodies. So until you see the results in their final intended form, it's tough to make a decision.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 09:52 AM

The under exposure might be a possibility. The photos I had issue with were all shot (and this is from memory) ISO 200 F6 and I was using the shutter speed to control exposure and it was around 1/2500

Early afternoon light at my back(Very Bright Day). I use my histogram to judge my settings. I was getting a nice peak in the middle. I usually try to get the peak just right of center.

Next chance I get I will run it a bit brighter to see if I still have the issue with graininess.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:18 PM

From what I've seen, either camera body is a win.  Let us know what you choose.  :)


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:39 PM

I guess I may be accustomed to my D750 and its operations and functions, might need some time with the D500 to become friends



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 04:57 PM

It's not enough to crop to the same field of view. You need to resize the files to file dimension equivalence. Resample the D500 file to the same size as the D750 or upsample the D750. You'll have a fair comparison then. The D500 will outperform the D750.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:36 PM

Ok , here are the officially un-authorized un-scientific results of an in depth side by side comparison between the 2 cameras photos scaled to the same levels on nearly identical subjects. The first thing that I noticed is that the D500 has better colors and contrast. Not by a huge margin, but enough that I can see it. The D500 is also a bit sharper overall and I think this is what I noticed. The D750 gives the image almost a creamy effect. It smooth's the image a bit. so that the pixilation is not as noticeable. If you go deep enough you see that the two images have almost the same grainstructure at the same levels.

So is my D750 doing something I'm unaware of ? Where is the dreamy effect coming from?



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:57 PM

Presume the larger sensor of the D750.

 

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 01:15 PM

So, you reduce the size of the D750 file? How?

 

Can we see pictures, shooting info, kind of hard to troubleshoot without some info.

 

Since your talking; grain and sharpness, you don't have to do any cropping, resampling and the lot. Just shoot the same test subject under the same conditions, same lens, same settings. If you're using lightroom, then just zoom in to compare. Use manual settings, so the exposure is the same.

 

Down sampling will give it a creamy look, A lot of folks that I know who shoot with the D8xx series noticed this when they post to the net.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 02:10 PM

For an equivalent image, the FX file should have a shallower DOF.  The difference is about 1.3 stops.  

 

I've found the D500 processor tends to sharpen background or out of focus detail a bit more than I like.  I'm not sure where the difference is being created, but it is something I notice.  I prefer FX for that reason.  On the other hand, I love the frame rate, AF accuracy, and other features of the D500.  The AF accuracy is remarkable.


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